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Everling Waterworks Kobold Offline Living but dead. Posts: 148 Joined: Apr 25^th, 2014	Hit Points Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 7:29am	Print Post
	I don't PUG much, but there was a SITC raid up so I though why the hell not. There was a fighter in the raid with 7.6k HP before entering. I was hoping for some tips on how to approach that number. The last time I tried to max HP on a pure Constitution Dwarf Barbarian, I got around 6k I think on my completionist. So obviously max CON, percentage bonuses to HP umm 25% Competence and 10% Quality from Stalwart, 20% Insight from Unyielding Sentinel +cores etc, possible 5% Sacred from Aasimar, 10% Legendary from Winter or around 18% for 5 piece LGS is it? Or maybe he had 8 piece LGS lol. Add Vitality, False Life, Profane, 100 from 4 piece Nystuls. I asked him how many toughness and I think he said 11+Epic50+Legendary100. Which is certainly more toughness than I took even on a tank, so maybe I should just try it. Just wondered if I was missing anything obvious. Apart from a clue.


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Its not that difficult to hit 7k these days certainly dont need to go full 8 piece LGS (that would be for hitting 8K outside reaper)

Aim for 120+ con

Fighter Levels	20x10	200
Epic Levels	10x10	100
Legendary Levels	2x10	20
Con	55X32	1760
Toughness	11x34	374
Epic Toughness		50
Legendary Toughness		100
Primal Past Lives	12x15	180
Style Bonus		260
Favor		40
Heroic Durablilty		45
US Cores	4x35	140
FotW Cores	4*20	80
LD Cores	3*15	45
US		85
LD		30
Fate Points	56x2	112
Scion Of Celestia		150
SD		165
Ship		20
Nystul		100
Reaper Cores		120
False Life		48
Base		4224
Sacred	5%	211
Quality	10%	422
Insightful	20%	844
Competence	25%	1056
Legendary	10%	422
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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9301 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hit Points Reply #2 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:21am	Print Post
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5949 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: Hit Points Reply #3 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 10:25am	Print Post
	Building for the content you want to push is underrated. Make sure your gear has the flexibility to put on a permanent fire shield (cold) item. (E.x., Crown of Snow or Bracers of Glacier). Heart of Suulo is still very good for increasing your APM when curses are spooky. (E.x., VOD and PN.) It doesn't matter if you have 8k hit points if you have a healing curse. IMO movement speed and positioning is often under-rated. Try to have a throwing weapon as your mainhand with the curse (Fang?) from Dread. (E.x., picking up Ghost flame agro). Consider getting wings out of EA. In R10 questing you need to outrun the idiot caster who is pulling every pack and dying.
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Everling Waterworks Kobold Offline Living but dead. Posts: 148 Joined: Apr 25^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #4 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	@Justanotherlurker: That's a really good table with a few things I had not factored in. Thanks very much. @Gunga: That ones a beast. Is that like 8 piece LGS? And 140 Con is very tasty, god knows how you got there post stat squish. @WonderfulFloppyBint: Good info on the 'sundries'. My plan is to work out how to get my HP to stoopid levels going full retard and then shaving a few feats/slots off that to give it some utility.


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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 377 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #5 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 1:18pm	Print Post
	Everling wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 12:13pm: @Justanotherlurker: That's a really good table with a few things I had not factored in. Thanks very much. @Gunga: That ones a beast. Is that like 8 piece LGS? And 140 Con is very tasty, god knows how you got there post stat squish. @WonderfulFloppyBint: Good info on the 'sundries'. My plan is to work out how to get my HP to stoopid levels going full retard and then shaving a few feats/slots off that to give it some utility. Bear in mind Gunga's SS is a barb so is raging probably using madstone clickies etc. A fighter in 8 pc LGS can break 10K comfortably in reaper since U57 and for screenshots can get much higher when popping last stand. Emergencies has a screenshot pre U57 of 16K hps so hes probably at 18K or more these days.


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Shunned DQ Assaulter Offline Hi! You have multiple personality disorder. Posts: 496 Location: Behind the edit button Joined: Nov 21^st, 2020	Re: Hit Points Reply #6 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	Everling wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 7:29am: SITC raid SIT-C. It sounds like Sissy. Just say skelly raid like everone else


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9301 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hit Points Reply #7 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 1:18pm: Bear in mind Gunga's SS is a barb so is raging probably using madstone clickies etc. A fighter in 8 pc LGS can break 10K comfortably in reaper since U57 and for screenshots can get much higher when popping last stand. Emergencies has a screenshot pre U57 of 16K hps so hes probably at 18K or more these days. ^

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Binkey Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 106 Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2021	Re: Hit Points Reply #8 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	I know we all build differently for different reasons and I'm aware that I can't contribute at all at R10, but would someone mind explaining to me why anyone would burn 11 feats on toughness? By these figures it looks to be less than a 5% benefit with the obvious massive downsides. I don't get it.


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Everling Waterworks Kobold Offline Living but dead. Posts: 148 Joined: Apr 25^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #9 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	Well its 374+70% = 635, so nearer 10%. Unless there is more to it than that. But 635 HP is not to be sniffed at. On a pure fighter you would still have all the base feats that every character gets as well. (I am not saying I would take all 11, but I can see why someone would.)


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Binkey Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 106 Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2021	Re: Hit Points Reply #10 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	Ah ok, I didn't spot that was before the % increase. I guess it just shows I haven't really a clue with high reapers or fighters either. I would have expected using those feats for the +20 tactics DC's, spring attack, +30 PRR/MRR would have resulted in better damage mitigation than the extra hp's. Thank you for explaining, appreciated


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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9097 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Hit Points Reply #11 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	In high diff raids, the tank is ultimately building to survive the biggest spike of damage that will come at them. So, in a real sense, every little bit helps. But, yeah, the high-end raid tanks are 8k+ HP. Also, you have to factor in PRR and DR. A Barb tank with 9k HP (and great Hamp) might be better than a fighter with 10k given barb DR. But, I haven't done the math. Probably depends on the content sometimes too.
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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9301 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hit Points Reply #12 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 5:06pm	Print Post
	Binkey wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 3:01pm: I know we all build differently for different reasons and I'm aware that I can't contribute at all at R10, but would someone mind explaining to me why anyone would burn 11 feats on toughness? By these figures it looks to be less than a 5% benefit with the obvious massive downsides. I don't get it. Getting dblshot for 5k per?

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 377 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #13 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	Binkey wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 3:01pm: I know we all build differently for different reasons and I'm aware that I can't contribute at all at R10, but would someone mind explaining to me why anyone would burn 11 feats on toughness? By these figures it looks to be less than a 5% benefit with the obvious massive downsides. I don't get it. With 500+ PRR even a small HP increase is a large effective health increase


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Binkey Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 106 Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2021	Re: Hit Points Reply #14 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	Thanks guys - that all makes sense. The game I play is just very different to the game you play. Thanks for explaining, tis interesting.


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	Binkey wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 8:23pm: Thanks guys - that all makes sense. The game I play is just very different to the game you play. Thanks for explaining, tis interesting. Playing almost exclusively R8 to R10 content does give you an extremely warped view of the game that most other people play.

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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9301 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hit Points Reply #16 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:33am	Print Post
	Standing Stone Games wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 10:55am: Playing almost exclusively R8 to R10 content does give you an extremely warped view of the game that most other people play. Tank an R1 Hunt with shit HP and you’ll fail.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Everling Waterworks Kobold Offline Living but dead. Posts: 148 Joined: Apr 25^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #17 - Mar 9^th, 2023 at 8:09am	Print Post
	Just trying to maximize the multipliers for a pure Barbarian. So for a non-Paladin the only place to get a permanent Sacred HP multiplier is the 5% in Aasimar Protector? There's Guard Up in Unyielding Sentinel but that's 6 seconds with a 12 second cool down and locks you out of the Hate strike. Just checking if there is somewhere else for Sacred HP? I found 10% (might be bugged) Primal in Tier 5 Fury of the Wild. But this would lock you out of T5 Unyielding with its 20% Insight and 5% Quality. Is there anywhere else to get the Insight bonus? The 10% Quality HP is Occult Slayer Tier 5. US gets the 5% mentioned above and Dwarf could get 5% also though at the cost of 6 action points. Anywhere else a pure barbarian can gain the quality HP? Competence is obviously in all three Barb trees. Legendary is in Winter t4 for 10% or more with LGS. There is none on Dread loot unless I am missing it. @gunga Was that barbarian post the stat crunch? Was that 8 piece LGS? I might have enough runes to make a 5 piece set but not 8. I am guessing that's raid buffed in Reaper? Not knocking it, its freaking impressive, just want to work out how to get to above about 80 percent of that total


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9301 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hit Points Reply #18 - Mar 9^th, 2023 at 9:57am	Print Post
	That pick was post stat squish, in reaper and full beef mode. Ddowiki is your friend. I moved off tank about a year ago because the previous year my main was stuck on an r10 push raid tank and rarely used. For push raids, we build around specific raid obstacles. LOB hit the hardest, we needed the extra 2k ish hp available on a barb tank at the time. Sometimes you have to build for mitigation, the barb isn't great at much except taking a hit. Our latest tanks have moved to 8 piece gear sets. Mine was 5 piece. Screen shot from one of our latest pushes, Dom is tanking the Dino with most buffs and last stand and cookies/pots, might not be full deific stacks:

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Everling Waterworks Kobold Offline Living but dead. Posts: 148 Joined: Apr 25^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #19 - Mar 10^th, 2023 at 5:24am	Print Post
	Yes that's really nice too. Awesome PRR/MRR, and that Con for a fighter... Warforged always put me off because of the MDB capping dodge low so that's interesting. But there's a fair bit of defence in there and the Con too.


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Everling Waterworks Kobold Offline Living but dead. Posts: 148 Joined: Apr 25^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #20 - Mar 10^th, 2023 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	And the immunities of course. Does that help with the Charisma damage in LoB? Does anything?


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	Everling wrote on Mar 10^th, 2023 at 12:32pm: And the immunities of course. Does that help with the Charisma damage in LoB? Does anything? Spell absorb, maybe?

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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9301 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Hit Points Reply #22 - Mar 11^th, 2023 at 8:10am	Print Post
	Everling wrote on Mar 10^th, 2023 at 12:32pm: And the immunities of course. Does that help with the Charisma damage in LoB? Does anything? If you want to run LOB Reaper raids, get in there and get your answers. I think you'll find that the most difficult content requires specific builds. The WF Tank below is no different; built for a purpose. Your OP wasn't asking for the reason why people are on certain builds, though, it's focused on HP. Build for what your purpose is. You have the basic math, you're looking at the right stuff for HP. What are you trying to accomplish? Build for that.

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Everling Waterworks Kobold Offline Living but dead. Posts: 148 Joined: Apr 25^th, 2014	Re: Hit Points Reply #23 - Mar 12^th, 2023 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	Yes no worries, I realise I went off topic. I will take what I have learned here and see what I can do. Thanks all for the help.


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