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Nov 17th, 2023 at 5:56pm
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Mythic crafting (which was nuked from orbit)
Reaper crafting - find 75 reaper items to crunch to add reaper bonus to one item, which cannot be transferred
GoMF crafting - reroll threads until you get the combo fuckers
Cursed cards crafting - steelstar's creampie

By the way, will DDO go down in history as the MMO with the shittiest of crafting systems ever to exist?
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2023 at 9:13am
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Cannith Crafting is worse than all of the above because it made random-gen pointless.
Funniest part was when they did the random gen re-balance around shroud, random gen became useful for like 3 months and then they release updated cannith and ruined that.

Cannith crafting is old school MMO crafting with wayyyyy too much power built into it.
What they've had to do---in response---is basically power creep the shit out of named gear and set items by including additional affects (breaking their 4 affix rule).

If one of those dipshits had just copied POE's loot balance we wouldn't be in this mess and people wouldn't be bored AF by every new loot update.

To their credit GOMF and "curses" are a step in the right direction but there are too many retards who don't want RNG in their loot.

Simple Rules for Video Game Loot:
1. Crafting systems can have very little power and still be useful.
2. Random gen should *always* have a better potential outcome than named items.
3. Named items should provide unique effects and build enabling options---rather than strict power. In fact, they should be below the power curve because they provide "complexity progression" by enabling new synergies.
4. Vertical number progression and complexity progression through new systems are both positive.

Too many fucking mouth breathers can't get behind 4. Go play Guild Wars 2 and see how mind numbingly depressing their reward systems are. They can't have more complexity or number increases because they are tied to a retarded PVP system.
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Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2023 at 9:21am
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Sentient weapons are probably the most depressing.
1. They should have been given their own UI the size of the enhancement trees.
2. They should have allowed you to swap gems and filigrees more freely.
3. All voices should have been swappable with a single click---you unlock a voice, you unlock it forever.

They were a step in the right direction and made gear more interesting for a long time; however, they are now another ghetto.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2023 at 5:31pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 18th, 2023 at 9:21am:
Sentient weapons are probably the most depressing.
1. They should have been given their own UI the size of the enhancement trees.
2. They should have allowed you to swap gems and filigrees more freely.
3. All voices should have been swappable with a single click---you unlock a voice, you unlock it forever.

They were a step in the right direction and made gear more interesting for a long time; however, they are now another ghetto.

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Reply #4 - Nov 18th, 2023 at 7:40pm
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What blows my mind is just how many separate systems there are. It's amazing.

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Level 1+      Cannith Crafting
Level 1+      Event Items
Levels 1+      Stone of Change
Level 4+      Trapmaking
Level 4+      Challenges
Level 6+      Item Upgrading
Level 11+ Green Steel Items
Level 15+      Nearly Finished
Level 16+      Alchemical Crafting
Level 18+      Incredible Potential
Level 20+      Epic Crafting
Level 20+      Sentient Weapon
Level 22+      Thunder-Forged
Level 26+Legendary Green Steel items
Level 8/28      Slave Lords Crafting
Level 20+      Schism Shard Crafting
Level 30+      Legendary Crafting
Level 31      Dinosaur Bone Crafting
Level 18/32      Lost Purpose
Level 31      Deck of Many Curses


MOAR

MOAR

MOAR!!!!



Let's not forget Perfected Artifacts
Dragontouched Armors
Necro Upgrade Items
And Old School GUILD Slots.


MOAR!!!


Preferably with separate mats that go in separate bags and mechanics that will never be touched or updated again. Those are the BEST!


  


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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:24am
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Thinking about some of this with color  coating

Still relevant
Niche bonuses
Irrelevant, no color

Quote:
Level 1+      Cannith Crafting Still
Level 1+      Event Items festive augments
Levels 1+      Stone of Change +1 saves
Level 4+      Trapmaking
Level 4+      Challenges Favour for cannith crafting
Level 6+      Item Upgrading
Level 11+ Green Steel Items
Level 15+      Nearly Finished
Level 16+      Alchemical Crafting
Level 18+      Incredible Potential
Level 20+      Epic Crafting
Level 20+      Sentient Weapon
Level 22+      Thunder-Forged
Level 26+Legendary Green Steel items, for caster swaps; cheaper than dino
Level 8/28      Slave Lords Crafting, occasionally correct for melee ranged gear sets. Usually just to fill certain stats though.
Level 20+      Schism Shard Crafting
Level 30+      Legendary Crafting
Level 31      Dinosaur Bone Crafting
Level 18/32      Lost Purpose
Level 31      Deck of Many Curses
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 6:07am
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LGS is still BiS for tanks so still relevant imo (sadly). We counting Morgrave Weapon upgrades under lost purpose?
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I dont even know what Lost purpose crafting is..what the fuck is that?
  
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Set Crafting in Vecna
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 8:56am
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Seems like they could unite them all with Cannith Crafting. Like different items might need mats from different content. But, the base system could be united. But, that would be too smooth. Gotta have 37 alters somehow for 3000 different systems. Just so disorganized.
  


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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:06am
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Head-Meat wrote on Nov 18th, 2023 at 7:40pm:
What blows my mind is just how many separate systems there are. It's amazing.

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Level 1+      Cannith Crafting
Level 1+      Event Items
Levels 1+      Stone of Change
Level 4+      Trapmaking
Level 4+      Challenges
Level 6+      Item Upgrading
Level 11+ Green Steel Items
Level 15+      Nearly Finished
Level 16+      Alchemical Crafting
Level 18+      Incredible Potential
Level 20+      Epic Crafting
Level 20+      Sentient Weapon
Level 22+      Thunder-Forged
Level 26+Legendary Green Steel items
Level 8/28      Slave Lords Crafting
Level 20+      Schism Shard Crafting
Level 30+      Legendary Crafting
Level 31      Dinosaur Bone Crafting
Level 18/32      Lost Purpose
Level 31      Deck of Many Curses


MOAR

MOAR

MOAR!!!!



Let's not forget Perfected Artifacts
Dragontouched Armors
Necro Upgrade Items
And Old School GUILD Slots.


MOAR!!!


Preferably with separate mats that go in separate bags and mechanics that will never be touched or updated again. Those are the BEST!




And to think that some in the first PC tried to convince Turbine ( at that time ) that a single system that made used of all the ingredients in a comprehensive manner, and makd use of all the ingredients available at that time in a global way, was just brushed aside. With the ability to insert new stuff ( ingredients, intermediate recipe, final recipe ) in an easy manner.

now we have an inconceivable mess of standalone systems that have limited uses and that becomes mostly useless once a new one comes out.
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:43am
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These fucking lilac gemstone fragments better be useful one day! One more system needed devs!
  

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GOMF definitely wins for "worst":

-it requires matts that don't drop in the raid it drops from
-you have no way to affect the outcome
-it cost horrendous amounts of very expensive materials for each try
-there is no set progression, you might never get the bonus combination you need

And last and most important:

-even if you get the bonus combo you want the finished item isn't very good



The ESOS and EROSS back in the day were worth it. They were and still are very good items worth the grind. GOMF is not worth the amount of play-hours required to get one.
  

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noamineo wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 1:59pm:
-even if you get the bonus combo you want the finished item isn't very good


The fuck are you smoking? It's an item where you can craft it with cannith. That gives it so much flexibility if you get the RNG on the set bonuses you want.
  
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Edrein wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:22pm:
The fuck are you smoking? It's an item where you can craft it with cannith. That gives it so much flexibility if you get the RNG on the set bonuses you want.


Underlines for emphasis.

Its certainly pretty good, maybe even BiS at level, if you can get the set bonuses you want.

Its that gigantic fucking "if" that turns it from "pretty good" into fucking trash.
  

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Reply #15 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:09pm
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If you're planning on using GOMF then you need to create 3 or 4 gear templates that you would be happy with. The dual set bonus can be BIS in different ways. Find the top 3 and then ask yourself if those would be improvements on a non-GOMF setup. If only 1 or 2 combinations would be an improvement then, personally, I wouldn't bother.

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Edrein wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:22pm:
you can craft it with cannith

Please tell me it does NOT reset when disjuncted?
  
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Please tell me it does NOT reset when disjuncted?

It doesnt because that would be preferable (free rerolls)
  
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Shunned wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 10:53pm:
Please tell me it does NOT reset when disjuncted?


My experience was that it does, but only with the first disjunction. I observed this twice but did not document it, and refuse to spend more threads on this garbage.
  

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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:24am:
Level 20+      Epic Crafting


Epic crafting is a stepping stone for Legendary items

Epic GoMF for dual sets with free altar rerolls and Epic Saltmarsh set are very relevant for 20-30 levelling imho.


WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:24am:
Level 22+      Thunder-Forged


Shadowphase clickies are imba for robe/outfit users.


WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:24am:
Level 26+Legendary Green Steel items, for caster swaps; cheaper than dino


Tanks, LGS Salt+LGS Ice, and for trolling people with healing wall via debuffs and ender procs if they dont have deathblock.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:24am:
Level 20+      Schism Shard Crafting


I fucking hate how quickly they abandaned this system. Literally nobody even rolls on Schism shards when they are put up for roll these days LMAO.
  

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Please tell me it does NOT reset when disjuncted?


It doesn't.

Don't listen to chucklefucks who say otherwise.
  

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Alex DeLarge wrote on Nov 20th, 2023 at 10:41pm:
It doesn't.

Don't listen to chucklefucks who say otherwise.



My experience is the same. I’ve disjuncted with no problems.
  


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Hardcore_Girl wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 5:56pm:
Mythic crafting (which was nuked from orbit)
Reaper crafting - find 75 reaper items to crunch to add reaper bonus to one item, which cannot be transferred
GoMF crafting - reroll threads until you get the combo fuckers
Cursed cards crafting - steelstar's creampie

By the way, will DDO go down in history as the MMO with the shittiest of crafting systems ever to exist?


DDO's not even close to the worst, my man. Back in its heyday, fuckin' Mabinogi had RNG on all crafting that couldn't be overcome with its skill-based minigames, and all the cool patterns came out of cash grab bags.
  
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Bobbicus wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 1:31pm:
DDO's not even close to the worst, my man. Back in its heyday, fuckin' Mabinogi had RNG on all crafting that couldn't be overcome with its skill-based minigames, and all the cool patterns came out of cash grab bags.


There exist worse crafting systems, anyone remember the first iteration of Dark and Light?

What makes DDO special is exactly how many bad, unconnected, and utterly abandoned systems it does have.
  

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noamineo wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 1:58pm:
What makes DDO special is exactly how many bad, unconnected, and utterly abandoned systems it does have.

One bad crafting system (and other "systems") for each Dev looking to pad their resume and get the hell out of Needham, MA.
  

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