Pints is my trusty 13/6/1 rog/rgr/mnk. 

The 6 ranger used to be for tempest, but now the two main reasons for it (2 AC and 10% alacrity) are gone (I always have shield spell up, the AC is now a shield bonus).  I don't think the 10% off-hand proc chance increase is even close to being worth 6 levels of ranger and 3 feats (well, 2, he is an AC build so I'd take probably dodge either way).

I've considered dropping the 6 ranger levels, but I don't see any reason to do so for the time being... I get a lot of nice things (Diehard, PBS, RS, Manyshit, TWF, ITWF, Rams Might, etc).  Pints is a thief-acrobat, and I have no plans to make him into an assassin.  Of course, there's no tier three thief-acrobat yet... so again, very little reason (IMO) to drop the six ranger levels for the time being.

So I'm thinking I'll stay 13/6/1 for the time being, drop tempest, and use the remaining two feats for something.  If Turbine ever gets off their asses and comes out with a tier III thief-acrobat, I'll decide if it's worth dropping the ranger levels for.

My questions:

• Am I missing anything?  I'm not in-game, so I'm relying on release notes for my thinking.  For example, is tempest 1 still worth the feats, despite sounding so shitty?
• What feats might you suggest to replace mobility and spring attack?  I have GTWF, toughness, dodge.  I'm thinking TWD wouldn't be bad.  No need for SF:anything.

Aranticus wrote on Jul 8^th, 2010 at 9:50pm:


Either of these is Win

13/7mnk ninja spy = twf ss killer

13/7mnk acrobat = have fun 

Strakeln wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 12:26am:


With the way the new changes have hampered the speed of TWF I can't see why a quarterstaff wouldn't be superior.  The faster you attack, the more sneak attack damage you'll end up dealing.  Again, I haven't studied enough yet, so this is just thoughts from the top of my head.

Aranticus wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 1:26am:


It's not MUCH greater... it's a +10% chance to blind.  Obviously that has to be considered, though.

Strakeln wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 1:48am:


You'd still have a radiance quarterstaff.  The issue here is where the breaking point between extra crits and extra backstab swings comes in.  Plus, you wouldn't be using a rapier as a ninja spy anyway.  He said SHORTSWORD!

I don't want to learn this new, shitty system.  Don't argue with me because then I'll have to (I hate to lose arguments). 

Strakeln wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 12:26am:

I've bounced back and forth between thief-acrobat and assassin on Inkdrop.  I like the immunity to knockdown on the thief-acrobat, but I found I didn't use much else from the prestige class.  It is fun to beat the hell out of anything with overrun (Lailat I'm looking at you!)

Currently I'm going with Assassin for the extra DPS.  I respecced into it with the capstone update.  It's kind of nice to see 95-100 sneak attack damage on crits before weapons and procs.  I didn't even put the assassinate button on my toolbar, and it would take me a while to find the sneak button.

Aranticus wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 3:29am:


I do!  Thank you very much. 

Aranticus wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 9:58am:

Turbine dice?

I know they do some things to simplify dice rolling and shade some numbers up, but I can't think of what.  The actual numbers are remarkably consistent with 90% of crits between 90-105.

Demoyn wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 1:52am:

I took a look at ninja spy, I think it would be better going 19/1 rog/mnk than 13/7.  Pure rogue won't work for me, it's too far from the theme of the build.

Inkblack wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 9:11am:

I have to concede that assassin is a better PrE... of course, it's completed, whereas T-A isn't.  It should be better.

Showtime and the extra uses of imp. uncanny dodge are what did it for me.  Having 4+ minutes of improved uncanny dodge and 5+ minutes of showtime make them very viable portions of the build (btw that's a total of +8AC for four or more minutes per rest).  Being able to maintain crazy AC - self-buffed or with help - while dishing out loads of DPS is very very fun. 

I don't have anything helpful to add, I just like that your original post says "manyshit." 

Inkblack wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 9:28am:



Simply put is 17d6 +12+8 (37-122) really.

Inkblack wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 10:17am:

Turbine dice?

I know they do some things to simplify dice rolling and shade some numbers up, but I can't think of what.  The actual numbers are remarkably consistent with 90% of crits between 90-105.

Turbine does do something funky as the mode is definately skewed to the upper ends... it is rare I see below an 80 on my assasin.