Planning GS for a WF wizard, I figure that the two obvious choices are a hp item and a sp item, one of which should be ConcOp. The other choices aren't so obvious; so I seek advice.

Seems like it makes more sense to put the ConcOp on the hp item since you'll want to wear that all the time, whereas you may want to swap out the sp item once you've used up the sp.

Goggles are the obvious slot choice, since there's almost nothing I'd rather have there. The second isn't so easy; cloak's not so attractive since Mabar came along. I'm thinking about gloves, since I can't think of anything shy of Glacial set that's competing, and I'm not expecting to see that any time soon.

I'm sitting at 296hp at 17th level - the GS item, Argo favour and another three levels will eventually push that to 384 - but for now I don't feel too squishy. Running in groups I rarely take much damage at all, and when soloing I'd much rather have more sp. So I figure it makes sense to make the (relatively) cheaper triple-pos sp item first.

First item - triple pos SP (gloves?). Wiz VI, +150 sp, +3 Exc to Cha skills, 1xTrue Res clickie, Greater Disruption Guard (incidental, but the only Tier 3 bonus available so might as well). 3 Large Scales, 9 other larges.

Second item  - ConOp HP goggles. +45 hp, +3 Exc. Con Skills, +2 Exc. to Str Skills, Concordant Opposition. 5 Large Scales, 19 other larges.

Does that make sense? Would you do it differently? Should I stfu and gfm, n00b?

Personally, I like sp/con op on the same item...I don't have a caster, but this works well for all my healers as they can pull on the dr items and let arrows/creatures hit them and build up sp as needed

Saal

If you want a raise clicky, put it on a weapon.  that way, you don't ever have to think about cleansing it if you happen to put it on by accident.

HP + Con Opp makes sense since you typically want both of those on all the time.

Having a swappable SP/UMD item/Raise Dead clicky is nice too.

Glenalth wrote on Feb 4^th, 2011 at 4:33pm:


I figured it made more sense that way around, yeah.

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Uh-oh. Does this mean the perfectweb planner is out of date now? Should I be using a different one to plan?

Hmm...that sounds like good advice. I've pulled exactly one Large Scale in about twenty Shroud runs.

The Haste clicky's a bit mediocre for a wizard, but I guess you get what you pay for.

I guess I could, although I'm wearing Minos as much for the hitpoints as the fort, so the advantage isn't so huge. I'm not really planning on running lots of Epics; not this life anyway.

Earthguard is looking pretty tempting. Only two scales; the elemental clicky is nice, and earthgrab is more appealing than air guard. I'm normally hasted anyway, and normally have a Maiming Rocksplitter in my hand, so even I can murder stuff pretty quickly on autocrits.

Taking your point about puttng Raise Dead on a weapon, making a Healing Amp + Raise weapon isn't too expensive. At least, by the time I have the larges to make the other stuff, I'll probably have the mediums for that left over...

Many vets swap out their sp item for other stuff soul.  I am not sure you know how to take full advantage of a caster..

Boatman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 4:20am:


The big reason you go air or positive is for the +cha skills bonus. Trip air or pos gives you +6 cha skills, which helps greatly with umd.

Soul wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 3:33pm:


Which is why I was suggesting putting ConOp on the HP item. There doesn't seem to be any actual reason to put ConOp on the SP item.

Rastelin wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:


Now, that is a good point.

Boatman wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:


I agree with this in principle.  The only reason why I put ConOpp on my SP item is that I couldn't put Heavy Fort on it and I didn't want to spend a slot on Heavy Fort AND a spot on a greensteel HP item.

I ended up with +5 Cha skills, +150 SP and ConOpp on my SP item (and Blindness Ward because I didn't really see anything better to put on the first tier) and +45 HP +Heavy Fort on my HP item.

That gets me most of the good stuff from a Pos/Pos/Pos SP item and the ConOpp from the HP item while still bundling in the Heavy Fort to save slots.

I do think that it's possible to do more with Shroud items than I did, but I do think that I packed a good amount of fun into just two item slots.

Boatman wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 11:59am:


Yes

Once upon a time I had a Concord Op SP goggles and a 45hp Bracers item made, but over the years I have gone away from that and now just use 1 GS itme which is a Concord OP Hp item.  I don't use an SP item which you might think is bad for a caster but its how I have found to optimize your build when you end up filling your item slots with epics and run out of room for GS items.  If you manage your sp Pool youll be fine anyway.  Heres the gear that I use endgame:

Helm: Epic mask of Tragedy (Wizardy VI)
Armor: Epic robes of the diabolist (Heavy Fort/ +6Str)
Necklace: Torc of Prince Reiyum II (almost Epic)
Trinket: Epic Dragons eye (Blindness Immunity)
Bracers: Demonic Consort Bracers (working on making epic)
Cloak: Epic Envenomed Cloak (toughness)
Belt: Eerie Belt
Boots: Epic Boots of Corrosion (+2 good luck)
Ring: Sanuras Ring
Ring: Epic Shamans Band (Spell Pen item)
Goggles: Concord Op Hp Greensteel goggles
Gloves: Epic Bramble Casters (Greater False Life)