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Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:20pm
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ASERHREJ HUY#W%N! ^B so frikking pissed right now.
they'd f-ing be better if they f-ing lobotomised them totally.

ARGHHHH  they're 100 times worse than they were
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Reply #1 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:27pm
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How can they possibly be worse than they were? Mine usually hide three rooms back and only show up after I've been punching the button for 3 min and finally cleared the mobs.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 6:03pm
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well, now instead of actually frikking healing someone else if i hit the button for them to do so, they stand there all derp duh derrrr... and cast light spells at whatever they've agroed on.  until after the guy i was trying to heal is dead.. 

plus they frikking run off and agro stuff now.

more responsive to user control MY ASS  Angry
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 6:09pm
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Anymore, whenever I use divine hirelings, I just keep them on total passive mode and micro-manage the shit out of them.  They're more responsive that way, so at least I have only myself to blame for screwups.

Lately I've been running mainly on my arcanes, though, so my usage has dropped to near zero -- the exceptions being when some lame PUGer has to have a babysitter or I want a spare SP battery on hand.
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Reply #4 - Oct 13th, 2011 at 6:16pm
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After U11.hotfix, but before U11.1, I did a couple of weapons shipments (elite) runs on my FvS with a guildie who wanted to bring a hireling.  That means 50% more enemies to fight, but whatever.

I was pleasantly surprised that the hireling kept healing itself when it was injured and it healed the planescaller as well.  I have noticed that hirelings continue to be Lords of Derp when you want them to heal real party members, but if they are willing to heal NPCs like Coyle and the planescaller, then I think they've at least improved since the last time I went through Threnal.  Which I probably haven't been in since like U7, but whatever.

I have not tried Weapons Shipment since 11.1 - just had other priorities since yesterday.

I did hear several people in channels and guild chat complaining about hirelings being extra retarded today, though.
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 4:33am
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Evangelier wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 6:09pm:
Anymore, whenever I use divine hirelings, I just keep them on total passive mode and micro-manage the shit out of them.  They're more responsive that way, so at least I have only myself to blame for screwups.


Micromanaging my cleric hireling didn't help me yesterday. In ETK, Natasha Thorston refused to do ANYTHING at all. The follow/wait toggle worked, but she refused to heal or cast Deathward or give DV's. That was out of combat.

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Reply #6 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 7:15am
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Had the same problem with Klin Stegen today.

Tell him to heal himself - nothing

Tell him to summon his hezrou - nothing

Tell him to - Where the fuck are you running to?? Why do you drag back a bunch of mobs from the opposite side of the map??


Turning him to passive and immobile finally got his attention, but the AI is quite annoying now...
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 8:57am
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Grace wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 5:27pm:
How can they possibly be worse than they were? Mine usually hide three rooms back and only show up after I've been punching the button for 3 min and finally cleared the mobs.

That's some really advanced AI there, because that's exactly what I would do too if I was a hireling.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:18am
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I use a hireling when running Vale slayers, for the constant haste.

Last night I noticed my lvl 18 hireling Wizard was bum rushing all the mobs it could and wailing the shit out of them.

I kinda sat back a while and let her rack up a fairly impressive kill count, until one of the nameds spawned and pwnd her ass in 4 seconds flat.

I felt bad so saved her, hit the shrine and told her to sit tight after that.

Seriously, she instantly went on full retard mode, was a sight to behold.  I went right for the bats/devil/earth ellie.  She went left and literally made a beeline for the Coal chamber area.  Never seen that before and laughed my ass off over it.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:39am
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also, in the end of siegebreaker, parking the hire didn't work at all. at the end, at the first drop down, they run into the middle of the star door, and sorta stand there. i say sorta because they occasionally spaz and run around on the star. pull em off the star and hit the park button, and they RESET. as in flicker out of existence for a moment, then they're back, then they run to the middle of the d*** puzzle again. 

and of course i can't bug report it... because that's turned off....  Angry
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:42am
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Razcar wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 8:57am:
That's some really advanced AI there, because that's exactly what I would do too if I was a hireling.


Same here!  Grin
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:47am
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I keep seeing complaints about hirelings.  Well all I have to say is - if you had unlimited sp and noone appreciated you and you never got any loot... would you give a fuck about your party members? Think about, no you most certainly would not.  Sure, you can get end rewards, raid completions, loot, upgrade gear...  What do they get? Some shit gold for following your sorry unappreciative ass around.
  

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Infant wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 4:33am:
Micromanaging my cleric hireling didn't help me yesterday. In ETK, Natasha Thorston refused to do ANYTHING at all. The follow/wait toggle worked, but she refused to heal or cast Deathward or give DV's. That was out of combat.

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That's shitty.  Did you explicitly set her to Passive, though, or Guard?

Epoch wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:47am:
I keep seeing complaints about hirelings.  Well all I have to say is - if you had unlimited sp and noone appreciated you and you never got any loot... would you give a fuck about your party members? Think about, no you most certainly would not.  Sure, you can get end rewards, raid completions, loot, upgrade gear...  What do they get? Some shit gold for following your sorry unappreciative ass around.


They've got a finite SP pot count per summon.  And it's implied from their responses that they get the same "loot" opportunities that we do...and immediately vendor all of it.
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Evangelier wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 10:12am:
That's shitty.  Did you explicitly set her to Passive, though, or Guard?
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She was on passive, I didn't want her to run into the final fight to die within seconds. After finishing the fight with heal scrolls, I switched her stances and tried all kinds of things, she just didn't respond.

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Reply #14 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 10:26am
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Infant wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 10:20am:
She was on passive, I didn't want her to run into the final fight to die within seconds. After finishing the fight with heal scrolls, I switched her stances and tried all kinds of things, she just didn't respond.

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Ok, that's a new one on me.
Previously, Passive mode would disable any non-movement-based AI that could interrupt player commands.
Great job, Turbine!  Cheesy
  
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a Kitteh wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 9:39am:
also, in the end of siegebreaker, parking the hire didn't work at all. at the end, at the first drop down, they run into the middle of the star door, and sorta stand there. i say sorta because they occasionally spaz and run around on the star. pull em off the star and hit the park button, and they RESET. as in flicker out of existence for a moment, then they're back, then they run to the middle of the d*** puzzle again. 

and of course i can't bug report it... because that's turned off....  Angry

They've been doing this for a while, I don't know why.  The past few times I've run Siegebreaker with a hireling (all before 11.1), when I get to the first star puzzle, they just seem to FLIP OUT.  I tell them to stay put but forget to put them on passive and drop down, they immediately follow me.  I tell them to stay put and put them on passive, they still follow me but take a bit longer.  And then the last time I did it, I solved the puzzle, had my hireling shrine and buffed him, sat down to shrine myself, and then noticed that my hireling--both set to stay put and on passive--had run on ahead and was getting the shit kicked out of him by the mobs at the bottom.  Because he was on passive, you know (Although I don't think being on active would have made a difference).

I just usually find it more entertaining than anything else.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 12:04pm
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I was running a quest on elite last night with a guildie, we both had healer type hirelings, those two must have been in love because all they did the whole quest was follow each other and ignore myself and my guildie; however, at one point they decided to have menage a trois with the mind flayer summons.

It got so bad at one point we thought about recalling and getting two other ones.
  

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Confirming hirelings have gone uber-herp. Even had mine last night on passive and stand your ground and she decided to run off and stand in a trap until she died.
  
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I forgot the best part.

After zoning out of ETK with my hireling and going for few slayers+rares she just abandoned me. In the middle of the explorer area. "Natasha Thornton has left your party". Don't know if her timer ran up.

This happened to anyone else? Or did I play too much that night?

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Infant wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 12:50pm:
I forgot the best part.

After zoning out of ETK with my hireling and going for few slayers+rares she just abandoned me. In the middle of the explorer area. "Natasha Thornton has left your party". Don't know if her timer ran up.

This happened to anyone else? Or did I play too much that night?

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They are getting worse with each update.

The divines and arcanes used to follow you at a reasonable distance so they wouldn't get mobbed when you pulled aggro. Now they are on your ass and die before you can clear the mobs.

And the unresponsive thing has been happening for the last two updates.
  
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She was just emulating you - didn't your soulstones overlap at one point?

Someone at Turbine is raging right now, asking "Why do they expect hirelings to play better than they do themselves? Why? Why? "
  

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Kimberlite wrote on Oct 14th, 2011 at 3:49pm:
She was just emulating you - didn't your soulstones overlap at one point?

Someone at Turbine is raging right now, asking "Why do they expect hirelings to play better than they do themselves? Why? Why? "

Lol! No, she I made her carry my stone to the shrine.

The fire trap one was Nexx's
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 6:55pm
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I seriously think Turbine just likes to fuck with us. Sit back and laugh their asses off as we moan and groan.

There is really no other explanation at this point!

  
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Reply #24 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 7:10pm
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Last I played my Arty a couple weeks ago, my hirelings (cleric/Fvs) kept insisting on healing my pet before me, even when I was trying to actively click a cure onto me.
Angry

So I went fishing (LOTRO) for a while, instead.
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