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Mar 28th, 2012 at 2:49pm
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Thoughts on feats?

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1 Point blank shot
3 completionist
4 Rapid shot
6 precise shot
8 Maximize
9 toughness
12 Empower, Improv Crit Range
15 IPS
16 Augment Summon
18 PL  Arcane Initiate
20 Heighten

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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 4:15pm
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I'd take quicken over heighten, personally. Aren't arti spells max level 6? I can't recall, so please correct me.

Could probably ditch Augment Summon by putting together an epic Roddy Roddy Piper wand.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 5:07pm
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rest wrote on Mar 28th, 2012 at 4:15pm:
I'd take quicken over heighten, personally. Aren't arti spells max level 6? I can't recall, so please correct me.


Yes. And I think the only offensive ones worth worrying about are the level 6 ones and heighten wont do anything for them.

And I would ditch augment summons with or without the wand. Why use a feat for a dog that is worthless most of the time anyway? Still get the wand though.

Definitely grab quicken. Maybe evocation focus for the BB?

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I just looked. All of the artificers offensive spells except for deconstruct are evocation spells. If you pick evocation focus instead of heighten your Blade Barrier & Tactical Detonation will be 1 DC higher, Prismatic Strike will be same & Lightning Motes will be 1 lower. I don't think the offensive spells of lower level than that really matter at cap. I say get evocation focus because Blade Barrier & Tactical Detonation are probably by far the most important spells. Also spell focus wont raise your SP cost.


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Don't get precise shot until level 12 for when you will need it for IPS at level 15. It is counterproductive to hitting things. At least for me it was better to select something in the back and mow down everything in the way then to pick things off one at a time. if you finish something off with the first or second bolt in a volley the last 1 or 2 bolts are wasted if you have precise shot, if you don't have precise shot the extra bolts will continue and hit the next guy.
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 5:51pm
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I haven't tried quicken on an arti...if that's for recon I do that from scrolls. Second on heighten, though, doesn't seem like it would bring much.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 6:20pm
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Good feedback about heighten vs quicken.

debating on aug summon can swap alot in there, with 3 sorc passive pl and wiz active should be ok on DC but focus Evo could bump it one more.

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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 7:54pm
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Oh, and I like having precise shot early just to target those casters at the back.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 10:52pm
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I haven't tried quicken on an arti...if that's for recon I do that from scrolls. Second on heighten, though, doesn't seem like it would bring much.


How high is your concentration? I like quickened BBs and quickened tactical detonation in addition to my quickened reconstruct.

evo focus would be a great swap in for aug summon.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 11:42pm
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rest wrote on Mar 28th, 2012 at 10:52pm:
How high is your concentration?


I keep it maxed. Just now, though, I did have a couple BB conc. checks fail but a skill item might fix that.

I still remember how long BB used to take to cast, the new casting time is like the quickened casting time, otherwise I'd probably make sure I took it.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 11:59pm
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Take quicken at level 6.  Quickened fire turret is better than anything your bow can do at that level. 

I also agree that augment summon is worthless.  Even on a completionist and with multiple sorc PL, your DC isn't that great and can still use the bump. 
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Reply #9 - Mar 29th, 2012 at 9:20am
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Augment Summons is crap at end game because the fucking pet can't stay alive in elite/epic raids, even with Improved Evasion and an insane reflex save.  AI is worse than hirelings.  If you really want Augment Summons for HoX (the only real place where this feat shines), then make an Epic Roderick's Wand.

After trying to play one for 7 months, I'm not a fan of spell-focused artificers.  With only 6 levels of spells, their DC will always be 3 less than a pure caster.  I'd rather play an FvS with Implosion and a gimpier Blade Barrier with 1 wizard and 3 sorc past lives.  Tactical Detonation is a cool spell, but it's fucking worthless in elite/epic content.  Everything saves against it.

As for a greater evocation item, I believe the rune arm code is still bugged so evocation focus items don't apply to it.

You want Quicken for Blade Barrier and Reconstruct (for the WF version).
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2012 at 10:20am
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I agree with Carpone that Arti DCs just don't get that hot.

If you're giving up on DCs, just make a first life Artificer and be happy.  Similarly, if you don't have 3 Sorc Past Lives to go with your Completionist, make your completionist something else.

If you do have the Sorc PLs to go with it, I think DCs could become interesting to the point of considering Drow if it'll give you an extra INT bracket over H-Elf.  I'd consider WF Completionist Arti with 3 Sorc PLs kind of a waste if you're dropping a DC for WF survivability vs Half-Elf, but can see why someone else would do it. 

If you have the Sorc PLs, I'd drop Heighten for SF: Evocation, and Rapid Shot for GSF: Evocation.  If you can tell the difference between having Rapid Shot or not with a crossbow you have a talent. 

I like Augment Summon for the dog, but it is buggy and death-prone enough that I can see why you'd not bother.  Depends if you personally use the dog or not; if so, I'd definitely get it.  If not, I'd pick Rapid Shot back up.

I haven't ever seen the need for Quicken on an Arti in any content I've ever run, but that content excludes eLOB where maybe quickened recons are necessary?  I have no idea.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:36pm
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If my math is correct Evocation WF DC should look like this

10  base
18 Int Modifier
2 Greater Focus Item
6 Spell Level
3 sorc pl passive
1 wiz active pl

40 DC - 41/42 SF evo/GSF evo

for BB and Tac Det and Runearm

Drow would make it 43 DC
  

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EDIT: BTW I love your post.  It reads as if English is your 3rd language behind gibberish and dipshit.


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Reply #12 - Mar 29th, 2012 at 1:14pm
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Needs Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration.  There are lots of Drow coming.

Also, add Eschew Materials.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 29th, 2012 at 1:24pm
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popejubal wrote on Mar 29th, 2012 at 1:14pm:
Needs Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration.  There are lots of Drow coming.

Also, add Eschew Materials.


The goto spells BB and tactical detonation don't have an SR check


  

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popejubal wrote on Mar 29th, 2012 at 1:14pm:
Also, add Eschew Materials.


This makes me think he knows that already.

Cripey wrote on Mar 29th, 2012 at 1:24pm:
The goto spells BB and tactical detonation don't have an SR check
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 30th, 2012 at 7:40pm
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Cripey wrote on Mar 29th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
18 Int Modifier

18 base + 5 level ups + 7 item + 3 exceptional + 1 profane (Litany) + 4 tome + 3 artificer enhancements + 1 human adaptability + 2 yugo + 2 ship = 46.

Note: the Yugo potion reduces fortification by 50%.  Less of an issue for a kiting Artificer I suppose.

YMMV, but grinding out a +4 INT tome, Litany, 3 sorc PLs and 1 wizard PL for an artificer just isn't very desirable to me.
  
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Carpone wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
18 base + 5 level ups + 7 item + 3 exceptional + 1 profane (Litany) + 4 tome + 3 artificer enhancements + 1 human adaptability + 2 yugo + 2 ship = 46.

Note: the Yugo potion reduces fortification by 50%.  Less of an issue for a kiting Artificer I suppose.


YMMV, but grinding out a +4 INT tome, Litany, 3 sorc PLs and 1 wizard PL for an artificer just isn't very desirable to me.



replace litany and +4 tome with +3 tome and completionist feat and I have all that so no big deal.
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2012 at 9:43am
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Carpone wrote on Mar 30th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
18 base + 5 level ups + 7 item + 3 exceptional + 1 profane (Litany) + 4 tome + 3 artificer enhancements + 1 human adaptability + 2 yugo + 2 ship = 46.

Note: the Yugo potion reduces fortification by 50%.  Less of an issue for a kiting Artificer I suppose.

YMMV, but grinding out a +4 INT tome, Litany, 3 sorc PLs and 1 wizard PL for an artificer just isn't very desirable to me.



Playing an arty isn't very desirable for you.  If it is one of the top preferred played classes for a competent player - they will grind it out.  You should try taking that next step, to being competent, not grinding out TR's.
  

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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2012 at 9:56am
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Epoch wrote on Mar 31st, 2012 at 9:43am:
You should try taking that next step, to being competent, not grinding out TR's.

You'll have to try harder than that.  I run one of the most successful and accomplished raiding guilds in DDO, completed 1400 raids and have every piece of gear I care for.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2012 at 11:28am
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Carpone wrote on Mar 31st, 2012 at 9:56am:
I run one of the most successful and accomplished raiding guilds in DDO, completed 1400 raids and have every piece of gear I care for.

Where's that "Watch out everybody, we've got a badass here!" picture when I need it???  Cheesy
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Carpone wrote on Mar 31st, 2012 at 9:56am:
You'll have to try harder than that.  I run one of the most successful and accomplished raiding guilds in DDO, completed 1400 raids and have every piece of gear I care for.


Do you? I would like to see some proof for those claims.
  

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Reply #21 - Mar 31st, 2012 at 1:01pm
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Arkat wrote on Mar 31st, 2012 at 11:28am:
Where's that "Watch out everybody, we've got a badass here!" picture when I need it???  Cheesy


Here ya go.

  
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Reply #22 - Mar 31st, 2012 at 1:08pm
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I do think it's odd that past lives from one class synergise so well with other classes.  I like Sorcerers/Wizards, so 3 Sorcerer past lives would take a long time for me because I level slowly, but it wouldn't really be a grind.

I capped one hjealer (FvS) and I don't think I want to do that again.  I certainly don't want to run through 3 Cleric past lives for +3 Conjuration DC even though I would like to have that +3 DC on Conjuration spells for my Wizard.  3 Cleric past lives would be a massive grind for me.

I get the idea behind the completionist feat, but some of the individual past life feats are just odd.
  

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