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Feb 11th, 2013 at 10:52pm
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From one of the lag threads: IronClan wrote: Quote:


Someone with more 'net savvy needs to politely put this moron in his place. Or some other punishment...
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2013 at 10:57pm
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Why? Are you 'mystafyi'?
  
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no, i'm bogre. try to keep up.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:59am
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Feklar wrote on Feb 11th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
From one of the lag threads: IronClan wrote:

Someone with more 'net savvy needs to politely put this moron in his place. Or some other punishment...


You really really want ?

Last time I looked at my job position it was written IP Network Integration, Validation and Support Engineer. ( and before that I went through years of Telecom Integration & Support, but nowadays IP Network = Telecom anyway )

I'll look into that thread... But my position might not be the one you want.
  

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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:25am
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I gave up a while ago... it used to be thrudh and leslie doing that "it's all client-side shit.

I loved the 768 mbps DSL comment - he'd shit a brick if I piped in and said I'm getting the same rubberbanding, dc'ing, and chat channels dropping and am on 40 mbps fiber.

He also tends to say the amd bug in his sig's the problem, 'cept that only applies to Windows users.

I tend to believe glitches on random players is caused by something wrong on discrete servers within a given world's cluster (i.e. not all of Thelanis or khyber or what-not).  If there's a bad node in the storage fabric or a bad database within the cluster, it WON'T necessarily affect all players - only a subset.

Last night, I had double my normal latency for about an hour, then it fixed itself - noone was using any network-connected devices at the time.  This kind of behavior and the server crashes tells me there's something majorly wrong inside their datacenter (and/or their ISP).

There's nothing you can do to convince them there's a problem on Turbine's end.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:31am
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karatekid wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:25am:
I gave up a while ago... it used to be thrudh and leslie doing that "it's all client-side shit.

I loved the 768 mbps DSL comment - he'd shit a brick if I piped in and said I'm getting the same rubberbanding, dc'ing, and chat channels dropping and am on 40 mbps fiber.

He also tends to say the amd bug in his sig's the problem, 'cept that only applies to Windows users.

I tend to believe glitches on random players is caused by something wrong on discrete servers within a given world's cluster (i.e. not all of Thelanis or khyber or what-not).  If there's a bad node in the storage fabric or a bad database within the cluster, it WON'T necessarily affect all players - only a subset.

Last night, I had double my normal latency for about an hour, then it fixed itself - noone was using any network-connected devices at the time.  This kind of behavior and the server crashes tells me there's something majorly wrong inside their datacenter (and/or their ISP).

There's nothing you can do to convince them there's a problem on Turbine's end.


Turbine needs to reinstall Windows.
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stainer wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:31am:
Turbine needs to reinstall Windows.


Or at the very least upgrade from Windows 98
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:27am
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karatekid wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:25am:
I gave up a while ago... it used to be thrudh and leslie doing that "it's all client-side shit.

I loved the 768 mbps DSL comment - he'd shit a brick if I piped in and said I'm getting the same rubberbanding, dc'ing, and chat channels dropping and am on 40 mbps fiber.

He also tends to say the amd bug in his sig's the problem, 'cept that only applies to Windows users.

I tend to believe glitches on random players is caused by something wrong on discrete servers within a given world's cluster (i.e. not all of Thelanis or khyber or what-not).  If there's a bad node in the storage fabric or a bad database within the cluster, it WON'T necessarily affect all players - only a subset.

Last night, I had double my normal latency for about an hour, then it fixed itself - noone was using any network-connected devices at the time.  This kind of behavior and the server crashes tells me there's something majorly wrong inside their datacenter (and/or their ISP).

There's nothing you can do to convince them there's a problem on Turbine's end.


Well as I pointed, from Turbine point of view most of the latency sources are client side.

Now I also pointed out that server side can just go locking up 11 persons because the 12th is DCing and the server is not receiving any acknowledge back from that DCing person.

There's more than net involved and I could go all into the latencies involved into database queries, and all the back end stuff at the server side. But what's the point it is going to be lost for 99,99999% of the people on the official forums ( and it will probably earn me an infraction and a ban for exposing guesses on the back end infrastructure )

At the same time what we call server is most probably a few cabinets filled with PC blades ( or similar ) and that can generate lots of fun stuff.

There's definitely, in some case ( typical examples are instance 2049 and 2050 ), a problem at Turbine side... but in 99,99999% of the cases the problem will be at ISP or client side.

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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:20pm
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stainer wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:31am:
Turbine needs to reinstall Windows.



In this case, it's not the OS... someone mis-installed MS Bob and it's taxing their available RAM.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:44pm
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Flav wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:27am:
There's definitely, in some case ( typical examples are instance 2049 and 2050 ), a problem at Turbine side... but in 99,99999% of the cases the problem will be at ISP or client side.



It could also be between your ISP and Turbine.  Basically, once the packets leave Turbine's data center, Turbine doesn't have much control over what happens between there and your screen. 

I wouldn't go so far as to say 99.9% was outside Turbine, but certainly the majority is probably latency in transit. 

However, Turbine does control how bandwidth intensive the program is and what occurs client side vs. server side with their code base.  They can make the program leaner on bandwidth and/or more forgiving of latency depending on how the architect things. 

To say that Turbine has no ability to plan for, or architect around, the realities of the internet or variances in client PC hardware and configurations is false.  Even though the majority of problems occur outside their control, it is their job to anticipate such issues and build a system robust enough to handle the foreseeable problems.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:47pm
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It could be that elves blow santa before the long sleigh ride every Christmas.

I know that I have played several other MMOs now, and I have yet to be hanging midair, frozen while 75000 mobs ass rape me.
  

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Feklar wrote on Feb 11th, 2013 at 10:57pm:
no, i'm bogre. try to keep up.


Jawsome!

If you know he's wrong why don't you fight your own battles, instead of asking people to fight your battles for you?
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:22pm
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Flav wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:27am:
but in 99,99999% of the cases the problem will be at ISP or client side


99.9%??? You just lost all credibility. Go play any other MMO and tell me that it's 99.9% common to find yourself frozen for a minute, 5 minutes, 10, daily, in the same instances, along with all of your party, and others in general chat. DDO has a problem, whether the lag/latency are actually internal or a result of poorly anticipating today's internet's rtt's, it's still THEIR problem. My end's good. My end's configured correctly, my ISP is fine, I can play other games just fine.

Nubicus wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:28pm:
why don't you fight your own battles


Again, if you'd read the thread in question, you'd see that my response is in there. Now fuck off and stop wasting my time.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:52pm
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Feklar wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:22pm:
Again, if you'd read the thread in question, you'd see that my response is in there. Now fuck off and stop wasting my time.


Oh noez. I wouldn't want to waste your time.

Why don't you comb down your neck beard, and feed your pet snake, to calm down?

I don't know if you misunderstood "Hi, Welcome", but if you thought anyone here was going to help or defend you in a some geek off slap fight with Iron Clan, you must have taken a wrong turn while looking for the Crush It forums. No one here is going to help you. This is the Vault, man. When it comes to DDO "you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy".   

So why don't you quit wasting our time with this bullshit and find us something lolz worthy to read, and stop asking people who are more 'net savvy to help you not look like the flaming douche bag you are?

Also: Hi, Welcome.
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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:53pm
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Arkat, did I do it right or do I still need more practice?
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:57pm
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Feklar wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:22pm:
Now fuck off and stop wasting my time.


If only your egg life support told your sperm donor exactly that, we would not have had to endure this waste of precious vault space.
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Reply #16 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:49pm
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Gunga wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:57pm:
If only your egg life support told your sperm donor exactly that, we would not have had to endure this waste of precious vault space.


The brevity and poetry of your insults is a thing to be envied.
  
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I wasn't asking anyone to defend me. I was pointing out a hopeless moron for the rest of you to laugh at and flame. I wasn't prepared for the stupidity of nubicus to overshadow that of ironclan, but i spose another moron to laugh at is always good. Oh, and fuck off.
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:51pm
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Feklar wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:50pm:
I wasn't asking anyone to defend me. I was pointing out a hopeless moron for the rest of you to laugh at and flame. I wasn't prepared for the stupidity of nubicus to overshadow that of ironclan, but i spose another moron to laugh at is always good. Oh, and fuck off.


You're not very good at this.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 11:11pm
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Ah, I see, troll. I tend to give people more credit than they deserve. But i see now your feigned stupidity is an attempt to enflame me. You win.
  
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Nubicus wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:53pm:
Arkat, did I do it right or do I still need more practice?

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Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 8:06am
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Feklar wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 11:11pm:
Ah, I see, troll. I tend to give people more credit than they deserve. But i see now your feigned stupidity is an attempt to enflame me. You win.



Don't give Nubicus any credit.  Most of us assume he was kicked in the head a lot at an early age.
  

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Reply #23 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 8:34am
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Feklar wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:50pm:
I wasn't asking anyone to defend me. I was pointing out a hopeless moron for the rest of you to laugh at and flame. I wasn't prepared for the stupidity of nubicus to overshadow that of ironclan, but i spose another moron to laugh at is always good. Oh, and fuck off.


Btw, wrong forum.
  

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