When I complain about lag, I always make sure it is affecting others as well.

I'm very computer literate person (CPSC degree, been messing with computers since I was a teenager and my first computer was an Atari 800).  I know what I'm talking about when it comes to computers and networking and such.

The lag that people are bitching about on the forums is NOT any of the client side related lag.

It is going into Mindsunder with 5 people and getting stuck in place for 1-2 minutes at a time with extreme rubber-banding ( a \loc shows we are in i2049).
(At this time, no one is DC-ing).

It is being in the marketplace and rubberbanding for 2-3 minutes and everyone else in our guild (not just our party) is experiencing it, along with everyone in General chat complaining about it.

Sure, there are times when I get an occasional hiccup in a quest that is probably ISP related... but I don't bitch about that.   I understand what that is and it usually doesn't cause a death or an issue... I accept that as the state of the technology and not much anyone can do about that.

But to say 99.9999% of the lag issues are client-side is just stupid. 

In the last 6 months, this "stuck-in-place, rubberbanding" for 2-3 minutes instances of lag that affect many people at once as occurred more often than previously... And the fact that servers have been crashing more often in that same time period probably has something do with it.

Look, I know nerds like to sound like they know what they are talking about.   That's why whenever someone posts on this forum or on the DDO forum, the first response is usually from some person (who probably lives in his/her mom's basement) directly contradicting it with their "expert" opinion about it.   

If somehow, you have managed to avoid these instances of lag that are not client side, then congratulations... you've just been lucky... it's not been because you have a better rig or a better ISP connection.

Turbine has a problem.  Again, many people who experience this type of lag, play other online games without having this type of lag.    But I'm sure some of you "lag truthers" will have some theory to explain that away as well.

bob the builder wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:13am:


Could you post more words to describe something that no one cares about? Not just a few more words, like 10x more words. At least that would be entertaining. Thanks.

stainer wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:18am:


Anyone who says that lag doesn't exist in any other game except DDO is high. This guy talks about other nerds trying to seem important by claiming to be an expert and then he blows his cover by saying that no other game has lag. Bullshit.

Gunga wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:23am:


I agree that other games have lag. I have not played a lot of other MMO's but I have played a few. I have yet to encounter the awe inspiring lag that DDO provides. The kind of lag that you can mark that start and end of on a calendar.

stainer wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:18am:


Honestly, I think other than on Khyber the vast majority of lag is user side. Khyber has always been plagued with bad/weird lag. I have never experienced the lag I see described by Khyber players other than specific identifiable times high traffic (i.e. Mabar festival) or Turbine screwing around behind the scenes (pre update/midnight maintenance) I have spent significant time on 4 servers Argo, Mabar Ghallanda and Thelanis. Khyber is the anomaly and where most of the lag complaints come from.

JDollar wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:30am:


Correct it's all in the client and the DDO client is a piece of garbage.

Eladiun wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:30am:


Have you ever played on another server besides Khyber?

Eladiun wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:30am:


Bullshit. Entire sides wiped in warhammer because the lag was so fucking terrible you could not see what was happening. I'm talking about as bad as the first live event that DDO had in the marketplace, except that these were much newer games with supposedly more robust infrastructure.

JDollar wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:35am:


Great point. Khyber has much worse lag than Ghallanda. I concede that point.

stainer wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:49am:


You've escalated the relationship to kissing terms? You're sweet like candy.

Gunga wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:45am:


Maybe saying DPS DPS DPS DPS x 10.000 at the mic causes some negatives reverberations in the Space Time Continuum.
Is it more laggy when Shade is playing?

In Argo we have Snootch...this could explain the relative lack of lag...

stainer wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:49am:



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