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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #325 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Am I missing something with these trees or did Turbine actually nerf racial and class HP enhancements? The FvS class only gets +15 and only then if they go into the protector tree. The fighter class only gets HP from the Stalwart Tree. 1 HP per point spent. (That screws Kensai on the HP a bit). Barbs also seem off. Frenzied Berzerker only gets +20 HP, Occult gets +30 (but only after spending 40 points in the tree), and Ravager didn't seem to have any so they'd have to dip into the Berzerker tree to get the +20 over there. The cleric does now get the same +15 HP as the FvS, which is a boost for that class, but that is the only class getting more HP than they have on live. The racials I saw seemed to have dwarf as the only race with the same HP line. WF was lower than live (+15 max as I recall) and other races had nothing. It seems like most builds will be off by 20 HP or so, maybe more.


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Gawna Ex Member	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #326 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 3:03pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:41pm: I couldn't have said it any better myself. It's probably because we're just a couple of misogynists.


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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #327 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	Sigh. YABB.

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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #328 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	For fucks sake.

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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #329 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:43pm: Am I missing something with these trees or did Turbine actually nerf racial and class HP enhancements?� The FvS class only gets +15 and only then if they go into the protector tree.� The fighter class only gets HP from the Stalwart Tree.� 1 HP per point spent.� (That screws Kensai on the HP a bit).� Barbs also seem off.� Frenzied Berzerker only gets +20 HP, Occult gets +30 (but only after spending 40 points in the tree), and Ravager didn't seem to have any so they'd have to dip into the Berzerker tree to get the +20 over there.� The cleric does now get the same +15 HP as the FvS, which is a boost for that class, but that is the only class getting more HP than they have on live.� The racials I saw seemed to have dwarf as the only race with the same HP line.� WF was lower than live (+15 max as I recall) and other races had nothing. It seems like most builds will be off by 20 HP or so, maybe more.� You aren't missing anything. Turbine thought hit points should be low before anyone else thought that. Feather of Snootch.

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #330 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:43pm: Am I missing something with these trees or did Turbine actually nerf racial and class HP enhancements? At this point, I can only assume they are trying to run off remaining customers.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #331 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	Quote: It's probably because we're just a couple of misogynists.� /girlsaredumbhighfive

	Stand on hills of long-forgotten yesterdays... Looking for a sign that the Universal Mind has written you into the Passion Play.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #332 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:11pm: /girlsaredumbhighfive I am willing to bet you can /vaginahighfive

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #333 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:14pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:12pm: I am willing to bet you can /vaginahighfive Willing to bet your tractor?

	Stand on hills of long-forgotten yesterdays... Looking for a sign that the Universal Mind has written you into the Passion Play.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #334 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:14pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:14pm: Willing to bet your tractor? YOU STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY TRACTOR PROPHEAD

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #335 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:40pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 2:43pm: Am I missing something with these trees or did Turbine actually nerf racial and class HP enhancements?� The FvS class only gets +15 and only then if they go into the protector tree.� The fighter class only gets HP from the Stalwart Tree.� 1 HP per point spent.� (That screws Kensai on the HP a bit).� Barbs also seem off.� Frenzied Berzerker only gets +20 HP, Occult gets +30 (but only after spending 40 points in the tree), and Ravager didn't seem to have any so they'd have to dip into the Berzerker tree to get the +20 over there.� The cleric does now get the same +15 HP as the FvS, which is a boost for that class, but that is the only class getting more HP than they have on live.� The racials I saw seemed to have dwarf as the only race with the same HP line.� WF was lower than live (+15 max as I recall) and other races had nothing. It seems like most builds will be off by 20 HP or so, maybe more.� No. They effectively integrated Racial Toughness I and II into the Heroic Durability feat. It now grants 5 HP at every 5 class levels. (Though in typical Turbine style they Feather_of_Sunned this effect and made it best exploited by 5/5/10 builds. ) Quote from Vargouille: We've taken out most of the racial toughness enhancements. We had previously found that Toughness was considered mandatory by many players and wanted to make it more of a choice than before. Instead, we've added +5 HP to Heroic Durability (a feat that all characters start with at level 1), and characters also gain +5 HP when you taking the 5th, 10th, and 15th class levels for any class. (That's tied to class levels, not character levels, at this time.)


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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #336 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:14pm: Willing to bet your tractor? NO - and NONE of us want photographic proof of anything ever again after the swatch watch thread.


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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #337 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:24am	Print Post
	karatekid wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm: NO - and NONE of us want photographic proof of anything ever again after the swatch watch thread. I thought it was a bRolex...

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #338 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:40pm: No.� They effectively integrated Racial Toughness I and II into the Heroic Durability feat.� It now grants 5 HP at every 5 class levels.� (Though in typical Turbine style they Feather_of_Sunned this effect and made it best exploited by 5/5/10 builds.� ) Quote from Vargouille: We've taken out most of the racial toughness enhancements. We had previously found that Toughness was considered mandatory by many players and wanted to make it more of a choice than before. Instead, we've added +5 HP to Heroic Durability (a feat that all characters start with at level 1), and characters also gain +5 HP when you taking the 5th, 10th, and 15th class levels for any class. (That's tied to class levels, not character levels, at this time.) That's OK on the racial front as every class had two toughnesses for +20 HP that took 3 AP to get. Now you don't have to spend those. Humans are the only ones who seem to be off then. Dwarves actually got boosted. But it's still a problem for the FvS, non Stalwart fighters and all Barbs. Haven't seen the pallys yet to know if they are getting hosed on it too. I'm betting the DoS Pallys will be fine but the HotD/KotC's will get nerfed. Because, you know, too many HP was a problem, really.


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #339 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:29pm: That's OK on the racial front as every class had two toughnesses for +20 HP that took 3 AP to get.� Now you don't have to spend those.� Humans are the only ones who seem to be off then.� Dwarves actually got boosted. Humans got a nice little replacement with �Don�t count me out�. +10PRR while under 50% health seems more useful to me than 10 HP. Asheras wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:29pm: But it's still a problem for the FvS, non Stalwart fighters and all Barbs. Haven't seen the pallys yet to know if they are getting hosed on it too. I'm betting the DoS Pallys will be fine but the HotD/KotC's will get nerfed. Because, you know, too many HP was a problem, really. Can�t comment on those as I only have a kensai fighter and I�ve had to wait 2 weeks for him to get his fucking Racial PrE.


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #340 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	New Divine Might is nice: Divine Might (3 ranks)(2 AP): You gain your charisma modifier to strength as a sacred bonus for 30/60/120 seconds (20 seconds CD) plus it casts instantly. Still waiting to see if the STR bonus will end up stacking or not with defender stances.

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #341 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:29pm: New Divine Might is nice: Divine Might (3 ranks)(2 AP): You gain your charisma modifier to strength as a sacred bonus for 30/60/120 seconds (20 seconds CD) plus it casts instantly. Still waiting to see if the STR bonus will end up stacking or not with defender stances. I very much so like this. More of a reason to have a higher charisma on a paladin than just more saves

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #342 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:29pm: New Divine Might is nice: Divine Might (3 ranks)(2 AP): You gain your charisma modifier to strength as a sacred bonus for 30/60/120 seconds (20 seconds CD) plus it casts instantly. Still waiting to see if the STR bonus will end up stacking or not with defender stances. How many pally levels do you need to get it? Current minimum on live is 5 for the first tier, so 6 levels of pally would then be a sweet splash for any melee build.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #343 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:23pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:29pm: New Divine Might is nice: Divine Might (3 ranks)(2 AP): You gain your charisma modifier to strength as a sacred bonus for 30/60/120 seconds (20 seconds CD) plus it casts instantly. Still waiting to see if the STR bonus will end up stacking or not with defender stances. They were just stacking when I tried it. Sacred for might vs Competence for defensive stances.


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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #344 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:57pm	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 10:13pm: How many pally levels do you need to get it?� Current minimum on live is 5 for the first tier, so 6 levels of pally would then be a sweet splash for any melee build.� You need 2 levels and 5 points spent in the tree, in addition to the 6 points it costs. They get turn undead naturally at level 4. A 2 level splash should be able to use it with the turns from the sentinel destiny or cleric levels.
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Slug Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1061 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #345 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:04am	Print Post
	My launcher keeps telling me that Lamannia has been down since yesterday morning.� What gives? I guess my launcher is broken.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #346 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 10:05am	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:23pm: They were just stacking when I tried it. Sacred for might vs Competence for defensive stances. I tested this last night and it was not stacking.� When Sacred Defense stance was active, Divine Might did not appear on my buff bar.� Once I dropped out of stance, Divine Might showed up. 6 Paladin is going to be a great melee choice.� Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see 14 Paladin/6 Ranger TWF tankish builds.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #347 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 10:47am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 10:05am: 6 Paladin is going to be a great melee choice.� Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see 14 Paladin/6 Ranger TWF tankish builds. STFU. Nothing good is coming from the enhancement pack. It's all nerfs and shit. Multi-classing is dead. DEAD I say! Maybe you didn't get the memo. Please get with the program. Posts like this will confuse people into thinking the sky is actually not falling.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #348 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 10:05am: I tested this last night and it was not stacking.� When Sacred Defense stance was active, Divine Might did not appear on my buff bar.� Once I dropped out of stance, Divine Might showed up. 6 Paladin is going to be a great melee choice.� Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see 14 Paladin/6 Ranger TWF tankish builds. I don't recall seeing the buff icon at all, but the extra strength seemed right. Logging back in to poke at it some more.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: SOON� is here!* Reply #349 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Ok, not stacking... Not sure why it seemed like it was before. Every bonus in the defensive stance line is listed as competence, but is sacred in actual use. The one interesting bit I did notice while I was poking at it is that Divine Righteousness is working for melee, ranged, and spell threat generation.


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