Yes. So why do anything but elite?

NOTpopejubal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 10:39am:


Never post an LFM. I am lurking. I would join. And you don´t know my toons. 

Gunga wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 10:44am:


This.  eGH has removed the loot grind.  It's crazy easy to get geared these days.  Easier than anytime since I've been in game.

Even if EE isn't your thing, honestly, the EH versions of everything are virtually identical.  Take two identical builds.  Give one all EH gear.  Give the other all EE gear.  If the same player played both toons, I doubt they would be able to tell the difference. 

They really need to either revamp the drop rates on the seals and shards or give you an exchange vendor for seals and shards like they have for scrolls.  There is no point in old epics being so hard to get.  Especially when all but a handful of them are only leveling gear for levels 20-22. 

I'm usually months behind the curve on gear because I play less than most end gamers.  But all 4 of my toons are fully geared at this point with a few exceptions.  My wiz still needs a Twilight and a Tablecloth.  My monk (recently converted to a monk last month) needs Antipode and Pinion and a Great Shard to move a GS Item.  My FvS would like Halcyon boots.  My fighter still wants an SoS Shard. 

And that's it.  Pretty much just raid loot.  And gathering commendations for upgrades.  It's great.  I can focus on lots of other things. 

Because of this change the game feels less grindy than it has since before epic gear came out.  Even Shroud and DT Armor are more grindy than eGH.  Fuck.  They give you EN items every third run of the chains both in Eveningstar and GH.  You can get a poor man's level of gearing by running normal (which anyone could solo even) for a week or two.

50+ EE Tors, still don't have the helms I need.

Eliminated the loot grind?  Are you high?

Heroic elite Tor is a joke. I just did heroic for the first time yesterday (at level). The giants have no saves and do no damage. The end fight was absurd - one DBF for each of the totems, and one (yes one) disint took care of the red name. The dragon/giant pairs were jokes too, the only halfway dangerous part was the traps.

I use the EE black helm on your mom. She's horny.

AtomicMew wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:


I've absolutely noticed this in quests in general.  EH does matter, though, because it's something that most players can do easily.  I mostly started this thread to encourage people to get into EH Tor and get the loot and fun that they wanted since all of us can do that, no matter what character build/gear/play skill we have.

Fuck, even I can do it.

Asheras wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:


Pulling specific dragon helms requires some luck, but you being able to trade for your helms also involved a large amount of luck. 

The trading scene is as difficult if not more so than the quests themselves.  Since the AH is incapable of performing high end trades due to plat being worthless, every item of value must be done by bartering.  In person. 

The chance of you finding someone who actually has a specific stat dragon helm that you want on any given day is like 1/10.  The chance that you actually have something that that person wants is another 1/10. 

EH tor is a joke.

EE tor is fairly challenging.

The main challenge with EE tor is getting people in the group who think "reentries? nothing wrong with them, I'm gonna make it so that if we want to complete (since I am a zerging fuck) people have to drain their SP bars and reenter constantly!" (no not kidding, druid EE tor leader was basically zerging it and making a cleric I have seen run out of SP very rarely before drain his blue bar FAST........whilst the druid was bragging about his 350ish spellpower, but was still wearing the fabricators ingenuity set, and had no heal amp)

-_-

another time I ran it, we had a 0 heal amp WF barbarian with 1.2k HPs (no not kidding lol) and we completed quite easily (obviously we didn't exactly make it past the blue dragon room.....cause....ya...hardest part of the quest lol)

Gunga wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:


punctuation? What is this thing you speak of.

Gunga wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:


I know.  I respect Junk's knowledge and skills at end game.  Don't necessarily always agree with his opinions, but I know he's not talking out his ass.  He knows his stuff and it's based on in game experience.

I also know that I only run 4 toons currently.  I  have 2 on hiatus and 6 more as basically banks.  If I was gearing the 2 hiatus toons, I'd still be in process.  But the BtCoE method makes trading possible, the dropping fully completed epics vs. 1 of 3 parts, giving end rewards with the EN versions, and making the armor crazy easy to get has really lowered the bar on gearing. 

It's still easier than getting a Shintao, Crusty, or Archmage ring from ToD or getting an eSoS, eRoSS, eChaos, or eClaw set done.  That's my point.

Asheras wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:



Some toons are just fucking, others are not.  My caster is by far the luckiest toon I've ever seen regarding this stuff.  Litany and Torc within 10 runs on first live, TOD ring on first run, etc . . .  other toons the luck makes me want to pucnh a baby.  My rapier user didn't pull a Balizarde until 60 CiTW.

And then there is Crippey, just feel free to hate him.