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Rogue life
May 14th, 2013 at 7:44am
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Posting here because other forums are fucked up and I like to have a readable format in front of me.

Feel free to point out how gimp/worthless it is. Rogue purists can EAD.

Aylike Handwraps
Rog11/Mnk9
Human

STR: 16, DEX: 15, CON: 14, INT: 14, WIS: 14, CHA: 8

Feats:
(1) Power Attack
(1) Toughness
(2) Two Weapon Fighting
(3) Past Life (Disciple of the Fist)
(3) Stunning Fist
(5) Path of Inevitable Dominion
(6) Dodge
(9) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
(9) Precision or Mobility
(12) Improved Critical (Bludgeoning)
(15) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
(18) Cleave
(19) Opportunist

Enhancements:
Adept of Wind
All-Consuming Flame
Human Adaptability Strength I
Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Human Improved Recovery II
Human Versatility III
Improved Hide II
Improved Jump II
Improved Move Silently II
Improved Tumble II
Monk Improved Recovery II
Monk Ninja Spy I
Porous Soul
Racial Toughness II
Rogue Assassin I
Rogue Damage Boost II
Rogue Haste Boost III
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Static Charge
Touch of Death
Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Winters Touch
  

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Re: Rogue life
Reply #1 - May 14th, 2013 at 8:47am
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9rogue / 9druid / 2monk.

way easier to level than your build.
  

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Reply #2 - May 14th, 2013 at 10:00am
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Munkenmo wrote on May 14th, 2013 at 8:47am:
way easier to level than your build.


Prolly would be if:
a) i knew how to play a druid, let alone how to do a split class with it
b) didn't have cleric and a fvs for a TR buddy this life
c) you'd post me a leveling build for one Cheesy
  

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Re: Rogue life
Reply #3 - May 14th, 2013 at 3:04pm
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13/6/1 rogue/monk/druid. Human. Go rogue, monk, druid and then alternate rogue and monk to a 6/6/1 split. Pure rogue from there. Take stunning blow, cleave, great cleave, improved crit and power attack as quickly as possible. I went light monk, but not Shintao because I wanted some of the self buff finishing moves but didn't want to take any extra feats and spend AP that are tight for marginal benefit from Shintao 1. Ninja Spy would give you more sneak damage so would probably be a better choice. Go acrobat for rogue prestige.   

Strength based with enough Dex and Wis to keep your reflex and AC up and 10 or 12 Int to keep your skills up on non rogue levels. Use quarterstaffs - Arlyns staff from Gwylans Stand is nice from level 6 or so because of increased base damage. Blow a few larges on making a Min2 for general DR breaking.

Spam cleave, and with power attack, Shillelagh (doesn't work on the Min2 because its metal) and Rams Might you'll be seeing sweet damage numbers. In wind stance and acrobat prestige, attack speed is ridiculous.

Gear is obvious - have the level appropriate ROTS and Spare Hand on you at all times, Spyglass if you have it. Otherwise random stat gear, fortification etc.   

The only drag is that BAB is slow to get to Improved Critical and other nice feats, plus Improved Evasion doesn't come until level 17.

Benefit of the druid level is +2 strength from Rams Might, +10 hp from toughness, +1d6 damage with non metal quarterstaffs from Shillelagh, plus a lever puller.


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Re: Rogue life
Reply #4 - May 14th, 2013 at 5:17pm
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basic concept of my TR template is play it like a melee, and mostly pick up just healing / buff spells.

The biggest strength of the build is Reaving roar, since it does 13d6 aoe sonic damage every time you kill a worthy mob.

With classes like monk / human / ranger I've started playing as a human, and picking up the ddoor dragon mark.  For classes without feats, I go half elf and pick up the monk dilly instead.

I've just started doing this template on a fresh toon, and am going 17/10/16/9/16/8

As a rogue, if you go human, this would be your projected feat list.  As a half elf, I'd drop quicken.

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Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist

Level 3 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell   <-- This feat is basically spare,

Level 4 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf

Level 5 (Druid)

Level 6 (Druid)

Level 7 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Bear

Level 8 (Druid)

Level 9 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave

Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness

Level 11 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Winter Wolf

Level 12 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting

Level 13 (Rogue)

Level 14 (Rogue)

Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons 

Level 16 (Rogue)

Level 17 (Rogue)

Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting

Level 19 (Rogue)

Level 20 (Rogue)
 



Gear that I wear at 18.

It's probably worth pointing out that stunning fist does work whilst wielding kama's whilst in animal form.

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Robes : Blue Dragon
Goggles : CHA skills sp (haste clicky) / true seeing of blindness immunity yellow slot (fear immunity)
Helmet : flexible cannith crafted +4 constitution greater false life colorless slot (+5 dex)
Necklace : torc / Golden Guile
Trinket : Voice
Cloak : Hp min 2
Belt : Spare Hand (level 16)
Ring 1: Holy Burst Kyrians Band
Ring 2: Stalker ring (lvl 16)
Gloves : Fabricators Gauntlets
Boots : Rock Boots (lvl 16)
Bracers : Bracers of Wind (lvl 16)

Weapons
Alchemical Kama - silver - air / air
Greensteel Kama - Con op 6str / 20 heal amp / 30 heal amp
Greensteel Kama - Min 2
Greensteel Kama - Lit 2
Tharaak Wraps
Mabar Wraps (level 16)
 

« Last Edit: May 14th, 2013 at 5:21pm by Munkenmo »  

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Re: Rogue life
Reply #5 - May 15th, 2013 at 9:00am
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Thank you Mo.

The concept looks very intriguing and I'll definately try it out. Not making promises that I'll go on about crafting kamas since cannith crafting + LGA slotted wraps have been my sweethearts for the past 6 lives. Though dps potential on lit2+min2 must be pretty damn sweet.
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Re: Rogue life
Reply #6 - May 15th, 2013 at 3:22pm
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NOTdarth wrote on May 15th, 2013 at 9:00am:
Though dps potential on lit2+min2 must be pretty damn sweet.


You don't actually get any offensive bonuses from the off hand weapon whilst in wolf form.  But you do get the heal amp, str, wis, and con op effects having a kama slotted there.

Stunning fist and TOD work in wolf form with kama's equipped too.
  

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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2013 at 5:03pm
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Yeah, I can vouch for this build being highly easy to level. Going to polish off my last fighter life using the same framework posted here later tonight and immediately TR to a monk version to play around at cap next life. Even without the kama's it's pretty amazing.

You can play it pretty much straight-up melee and have no issues whatsoever. I pretty much only used Quicken/Maximize for my 'oh crap' button Cure Critical, for quickening my sleet storms (highly underrated spell), and for popping quicken/maximized greater vigors for the really tough fights.

The majority of the time firing off greater vigor for 15 sp's (usually 10sp's coming from temporary sp's you proc on crits) is plenty to keep you up and running. Those temporary sp's from the procs are outstanding if you pay close attention to them.

I didn't make enough use of Sleet Storm...frankly I'd forget a lot of the time and just didn't need it...but on a rogue life it will be amazing for you.
  
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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2013 at 5:23pm
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Munkenmo wrote on May 15th, 2013 at 3:22pm:
You don't actually get any offensive bonuses from the off hand weapon whilst in wolf form.


I don't have any to test with right now but have you tried offhanding an improved deception weapon? Curious about whether that would work or whether it falls under the 'offensive bonuses' section. Hard to say just thinking about it as improved deception also appears on regular items...it could be an effect it gives your character or an effect it gives to your weapons.
  
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Reply #9 - May 16th, 2013 at 11:34pm
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Last I knew (Imp) Dec on weapons was different/stacked with (Imp) Dec items... so probably wouldn't work on offhand. Not that there's any kamas with it either.
  
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