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radonek Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 50 Joined: Sep 1^st, 2013	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #125 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	Thank you for helping me understand and being patient with my noobish questions lol.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #126 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 6:35pm	Print Post
	radonek wrote on Nov 13^th, 2013 at 2:41pm: I'm relatively new to doing custom builds. i used to just use the cookie cutter template follow your suggested path builds when I first started and then couldn't understand why my toons were garbage in the epic levels. My first toon was a path build warforged stalwart defender. I used to run into a group of mobs intimidate and then shield block. I had no healing amp, didn't know what it was but thought I did a great job of reducing the workload for the healer... We've all gotta start somewhere.

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #127 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 7:00pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 13^th, 2013 at 6:35pm: We've all gotta start somewhere. Heh. My first time building my main, I took three fighter levels just to get the extra +1 to max dex bonus from enhancements. 47 AC would be AWESOME in pen and paper!

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #128 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 13^th, 2013 at 6:35pm: We've all gotta start somewhere. Truth.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #129 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 12:31am	Print Post
	Persiflage wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 6:16am: Some weirdness: I'm just in the process of levelling a 12 Monk / 8 fighter Dorf G-Axe wielder similar to this and have just started getting points in GMoF; Dance of Flowers doesn't seem to be having any effect on my weapon damage multiplier.� Just a display bug, or is it borked? In an unrelated note, I squeezed Whirlwind Attack into my build and it's totally worth it.� Whirlwind Attack is ...wait for it...� no mean feat on a toon like this.� � whirlwind is a joke on qstaff build. is it better on a dual wielder?


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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #130 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 3:42am	Print Post
	Worse. Unless they fixed the double-spin-pause animation for one attack.

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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #131 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 7:55am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 12:31am: whirlwind is a joke on qstaff build. is it better on a dual wielder? A guy in my guild is using it in a monk thing build, he said its awesome for unarmed atacks.

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radonek Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 50 Joined: Sep 1^st, 2013	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #132 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	Carpone, I'm just curious, have you been able to test a 9 monk/8 fighter/3 wiz/sorc bladeforged version of this build on lamminia? I love this build as it is but there are some gear elements I cant get like the greater convalescent bracers of superior parrying and since I went 12 monk/8 fighter, i dont have magical training for SP's and am stuck augmenting a topaz of power and have 200 SP's. I saw you mention a bladeforged option and the idea of being able to properly self heal effectively interests me. Plus I could get rid of rejuvy and slot primal scream.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #133 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	3wiz = more sp if you pick up mental toughness. Spell crits also work with the recon SLA. Bladeforged 9/8/3wiz works better than the op imo, it's better healing and frees up gear a feat and a twist that you'd have been dedicating to rejuv cucoon.

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radonek Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 50 Joined: Sep 1^st, 2013	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #134 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	Yeah, i was reading up on wizard and sorc trying to compare the two classes (ive never had a caster) and wizard seemed the way to go. My problem now is the trying to use the character planner. when you choose bladeforged, it makes you take level 1 as a paladin...which i understand because you have to LR the level of paladin out. But I dont know how the best way to plan this character out now on the planner. Maybe its because its really late and I cant see straight. Any suggestions would help and be appreciated.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #135 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 11:36pm	Print Post
	You could probably manually edit the save file and the load it up in the planner.


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #136 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 11:18am	Print Post
	ILoveExploits wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 7:55am: A guy in my guild is using it in a monk thing build, he said its awesome for unarmed atacks. It's stupid good. Although I think it may be one of those things that race/gender matters as to how it works. Human monk was where I used it (on a 12/8 with both fighter and monk on the 12 side) and it gave huge numbers of attacks compared to whirlwind on any other toon I've played.

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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Cetus's Retarded Twin Reply #137 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 6:45am	Print Post
	12 ftr/ 6 mnk/ 2fvs, Helf 36 pt build pally dillie, Cleaver set and Pinion manyshot, Pros over Cetus build: 1) Dont waste an epic twist in order to use heroic ability "Divine might" 2) Emp. healing + Hamp + Healing = 180-200 HP per tick of cocoon. 3) Extra 10 PRR from warpriest 4) Pretty helf! Cons: 1) less saves 2) less saves 3) less saves 4) did I mention less saves? Twists would be like: 1) Unearthly Reactions or Sense weakness 2) Dance of flowers 3) Cocoon Or I could just say screw it and do Bladeforged Cetus and eat Maj. Mnem. SP trinkets like mad during quests? Freeing up ED twist might be worth it


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fluffi Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 73 Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2011	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #138 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:13am	Print Post
	I'm levelling up a 10/6/4 Ftr/Mnk/Pally - Human. Basically the same as Cetus build but without Stunning blow and completionist feats. Only 10 ftr means I have 1 less feat, so I went with master of forms for the earth stance crit multiplier. I do get div might without using up a twist. Downside compared to Cleaver build is no emp healing Upside is the saves are really nice.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #139 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	radonek wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:43pm: Carpone, I'm just curious, have you been able to test a 9 monk/8 fighter/3 wiz/sorc bladeforged version of this build on lamminia? I love this build as it is but there are some gear elements I cant get like the greater convalescent bracers of superior parrying and since I went 12 monk/8 fighter, i dont have magical training for SP's and am stuck augmenting a topaz of power and have 200 SP's. I saw you mention a bladeforged option and the idea of being able to properly self heal effectively interests me. Plus I could get rid of rejuvy and slot primal scream. I haven't played for more than a month -- since Lagbar started up.� Never tested the 9/8/3 split, but I suppose I'll get around to it on Lam now that I have some fucks to give about this game again.


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TractorsareEpic Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 385 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2013	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #140 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 3:55pm: I haven't played for more than a month -- since Lagbar started up.� Never tested the 9/8/3 split, but I suppose I'll get around to it on Lam now that I have some fucks to give about this game again. Breaks are good/excellent, I am on one myself currently 3+ months strong from playing DDO(for the most part, only have logged in a handful of times & only once on the monday night before U20 to flag all toons for raids to get my boxes). Glad 2 have 1 of the pro toon builders back though! Cheers! ! ! !


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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #141 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 1:50am	Print Post
	mhm, I was wondering why you took 2 druid levels then I saw the double strike ^^, I was thinking more on the lines of 10fighter/9mnk/1druid, I guess its just a trade for an action boost: doublestrike for an extra feat, pick your juice i guess (:

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radonek Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 50 Joined: Sep 1^st, 2013	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #142 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 9:19am	Print Post
	the 2 druid also gives you ram's might for an extra die to hit and damage, the empower heal spell feat to help your rejuvy cocoon heal you and the 30% doublestrike clicky. 30% double strike along with a haste boost and the attack speed of a monk...thats a whole lot of damage.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #143 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 9:58am	Print Post
	I tried both Carpone's and Cetus's build on my fighter; I ended up liking neither, Carpone's less than Cetus's. Either one still ends up extremely reliant on blitzing in EE, and that just does not work out well IME. I ended up needing someone healing me too much of the time. Dunno if bladeforged would help or not, but I'm skeptical of the limited mana you'll have for bf heals. Probably'll turn my fighter into a monkcher when I get around to doing something with it, even though I already have a monkcher.


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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #144 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	radonek wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 9:19am: the 2 druid also gives you ram's might for an extra die to hit and damage, the empower heal spell feat to help your rejuvy cocoon heal you and the 30% doublestrike clicky. 30% double strike along with a haste boost and the attack speed of a monk...thats a whole lot of damage. it really depends on what you want, if you take 2 levels vs the one you only lose on the double strike, and now you want have to spend 6AP which could used elsewhere for other goodies. And plus they changed class based action boosts to all share the same count, which means you could gnab action boost:haste instead of the double strike, which is a little mlbit more powerful when calculating the extra damage you get from glancing blows. (something you don't get with double strike)

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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #145 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 9:58am: I tried both Carpone's and Cetus's build on my fighter; I ended up liking neither, Carpone's less than Cetus's. Either one still ends up extremely reliant on blitzing in EE, and that just does not work out well IME. I ended up needing someone healing me too much of the time. Dunno if bladeforged would help or not, but I'm skeptical of the limited mana you'll have for bf heals. Probably'll turn my fighter into a monkcher when I get around to doing something with it, even though I already have a monkcher. if your having problems with self heals maybe your not having enough prr, hp or forgetting to use displacement clickys :p. And that beguile will mess up the to-hit of all non red names or lower statuses. In saying this I'm really surprised your having problems healing yourself 0.o p.s I like the bladeforged idea for this build

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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: U19 THF Cleaver Reply #146 - Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 4:55am	Print Post
	froggy wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 2:35pm: if your having problems with self heals maybe your not having enough prr, hp or forgetting to use displacement clickys :p. And that beguile will mess up the to-hit of all non red names or lower statuses. In saying this I'm really surprised your having problems healing yourself 0.o p.s I like the bladeforged idea for this build I blame you're parents.


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