From what i been reading here and in the official forums, seems like for EE content twf got even more fucked than before specialy for khopesh users...
So i started this topic to get some feedback around the used to be clasic 12 ftr 6 ranger 2 rogue builds, seems like it would be a wiser idea to just do 9 ranger 8 fighter 3 arti, but the monk seems really good... thoughts?

You can dual wield one handed Esos, but you have to be on Khyber.

Wipe wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:


And Axer

Ninja Spy II is what is causing that

I still plan on going TWF khopesh if i ever get to a final life on my main, but I don't really care for super optimization, so if you want to be super optimal THF is prob the best.....although TWF can still be fun

What I understand from reading these posts is that my twf fighter was crap and now it is really shit.

I have absolute no understaning for this munchkin multiklass. So I will torture you with my ignorance.

First question: do you fight in pijamas or wear armor? I mean, monk.

I'm still working out what direction I want to go with my 2wf (non handwrap) toons.

Here's my problems with melee atm. Earth stance is so fucking good, so is shadowfade. What we're getting for 6monk + 1 feat slot is too fucking good, the devs fucked up with earthstance, yet they continually keep improving it.

The next issue, especially with 2wf, is that by the time you've got 6monk levels, handwraps, with stunning fist and their faster attack speed really start to outshine most weapon choices.

At the moment, I'm really struggling to come up with a good 2wf (armed) build that wouldn't play the same, but be better with 6monk levels, and then still be better with weapons over wraps.

The splits I'm coming back to most often.

Human 13rogue, 6monk, 1fvs = improved evasion, shadowfade, sneak dice, divine might, empower heal.  Kind of a jack of all trades though, not quite enough feats, can't squeeze in OC and tier 3 stances well.
(Also considering a 10rogue,6monk, 4pally version of this build with a heavier investment in cha, pally version would have opportunist instead of improved evasion.)

Human 8fighter, 6monk, 6ranger = AA / twf, centered with a plethora of weapons, again kind of directionless, but easy to respec to a more specific role depending on gear / enhancements.

I'll also turn my old 12/6/2 fighter paladin monk into a 12fighter, 5paladin, 3monk, purely cause it's an old khopesh toon I can semi salvage with a +1 heart of wood, saving the +20 for an Easy past life later.

Quote:


This simply was never true.  as far as raw DPS was concern TWFing stayed ahead on single-targets, the CiTW weapons helped this. 

Quote:


Regarding TWFing pajamas and enough ranger for the extra 10% off-hand.  Shintao low-hanging-fruit will let you get another 10% off-hand for the full 100% off-hand.

Bigjunk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

You haven't seen abuse yet.  Bladeforged with Reconstruct and centered weapon = meleegasm.

I TR'd my pure assassin rogue into 13 rogue/6 ranger/1 monk. Centered t4 stances with shortswords (will be celestias at cap/eMG when I am in assassinate mode). I did 6 ranger for free manyshot and twf feats, and I'm trying to work in empower healing. 75 positive spell power + sneak dice from deepwood is nice too.  Tempest off hand proc % chance is also good.

Although Mo hit it on the head with 6 monk being so fucking amazing. I will miss shadow fade, but I'll just have to get over it. I did the 13/6/1 instead of 12/6/2 for the extra rogue feat. Improved evasion and opportunist.

Take this with a grain of salt, as all my characters are fucking terrible.

Bigjunk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:


This.

And besides, why wouldn't you want to run a build like 13Rog/6Rgr/1Mnk in Shadowdancer anyway? It is by far the best destiny for any TWF Rogue.

Also I just realized I am an idiot. Emp heal is for my druid splash toons not my rogue/ranger. I only have 6 levels of ranger, not 8.

6monk offers a lot more than just shadowfade though, there's also the :

6% dodge
3 bonus feats
10% movement speed (5% when you turn on earth stance)
+5/5/5 saves
Evasion
2/3's of the way towards earth stance three.

The only 6 level melee splash that really competes with monk imo is ranger, which is why I (and everyone else) keeps coming back to 8fighter, 6monk, 6ranger.

A 13rogue/6monk/1fvs or 13rogue/6ranger/1monk will be better melee dps thanks to sneak their attack dice, but much less rounded than an 8/6/6.

2wf has been falling behind since the release of motu. It's easy to see why players are gravitating towards 2hf or rounded builds. Just look at overwhelming criticals pre reqs, endgame being about dispensing of trash, furyshot being the best boss option.  Unless ddo gets back to a state where a significant portion of the game is about raiding with boss beating, focusing on 2wf at the expense of anything else is a bad choice.

The immediate future of DDO builds is obvious :
When iconics become TR'able. A reconstructing bladeforged melee/ranged will be godly, PDK bards (and tukaw's with rejuv cuccon) will also be popular choices.

I probably won't bother making them though, I have more fun now building in excel than I do logging in. Luckily feather is in charge of loot and Rowan has let us know another cap increase is on the way.  I've got no need for more pastlives, thus no reason to play.