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Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:28pm
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I am done TRing my main Selee through off-lives, and will most likely be TRing her for the last time into sorc tonight.  She has 2 wiz, 2 sorc, and 3 cleric past lives (God I hate being cleric).. I am currently thinking of going 16 sorc/2 fvs/2 pal with specs in fire, force and electric for wings.  I will be going spell focus Conjuration because I love web enough to suffer through 3 past lives of cleric.. She will be human for the extra feat and healing amp.  Here is what I am thinking of using for her build:

STR: 20=10 (base - 2 build points) +3 (tome) +7 (item)
DEX: 19=10 (base - 2 build points) +3 (tome) +6 (item)
CON: 27=14 (base - 6 build points) +3 (tome) +7 (item) +1 (exceptional) +2 (insightful)
INT: 24=15 (base - 8 build points) +3 (tome) +6 (item)
WIS: 19=10 (base - 2 build points) +3 (tome) +6 (item)
CHA: 48=18 (base - 16 build points) +5 (tome-already have) +7 (levelups) +5 (enhancements) +8 (item) +1 (exceptional) +2 (insight) +2 (ED - twisted in from spellsinger) - What am I missing here??

Non-CON and CHA stats may have some other buffs due to my random equipment but this is the base I know I have..

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1) Maximize
1H) Empower
3) Wiz past life
6) Spell Focus Conj
9) Heighten
12) Grtr spell focus conj
15) Spell pen
18) Grtr spell pen
21) Epic spell pen
24) Epic spell focus Conj
27) Ruin? Epic CHA?

Leveling order - PSSSSSSSSPSSSSSSSSFF - start with Pal to get Heal as a class skill, then 8 sorc for wall of fire ASAP, then 2nd paladin for saves when spells kinda start to hurt some, then sorc till 18, then FvS to get more fire/force spell power.

Skills - Maxing Spellcraft, Heal, UMD and Concentration (after tomes kick in) every level will pretty much take all my skill points

I still have her +20 heart just in case I fuck her up royally (or decide I just love pure sorc too much), but I would much rather not need it if at all possible.  Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated!
  

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Reply #1 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:41pm
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2fvs would be shiradi, right? Yet your feats are all spell pen and spell focus? Is this for EEs or no?
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:42pm
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Don't you have to be 18 sorc for wings? Thought it was in the core abilities.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:43pm
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Missing 11 item and 3 exceptional for CHA stat.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:44pm
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Why SF conjuration and not evocation? Plan on casting a bunch of acid spells on your electric sorc? Tongue
  
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Ditch spell pen feats for mental tougness feats. more mana + more crits = win. How much casting will you be doing that requires an SR check?
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Reply #6 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:46pm
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Ah saw the SF conjuration answer. Nevermind.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:57pm
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cdr wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:41pm:
2fvs would be shiradi, right? Yet your feats are all spell pen and spell focus? Is this for EEs or no?


Shiradi most of the time, and yes I hope to do EEs.

rest wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:42pm:
Don't you have to be 18 sorc for wings? Thought it was in the core abilities.


Nope, not core.  Only need 12.

rest wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:43pm:
Missing 11 item and 3 exceptional for CHA stat.


I have seen +11 INT but not CHA, what has +11 CHA?  Still looking for the +3 CHA blue helm.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:59pm
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rest wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 5:44pm:
Ditch spell pen feats for mental tougness feats. more mana + more crits = win. How much casting will you be doing that requires an SR check?

Ottos Irresistable for anything web-immune (and most of those have SR)
  

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Reply #9 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 6:20pm
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Nothing reasonably acquirable has +11 cha. It comes on +21 lootgen, but those are super rare.

I would seriously drop the spell pen. If you're shiradi you'd get much more out of the Mental Toughness line. Look at some of the shiradi sorc or wiz builds on the forums.
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Reply #10 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 6:45pm
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cdr wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 6:20pm:
Nothing reasonably acquirable has +11 cha. It comes on +21 lootgen, but those are super rare.

I would seriously drop the spell pen. If you're shiradi you'd get much more out of the Mental Toughness line. Look at some of the shiradi sorc or wiz builds on the forums.

OK, but +10 CHA are just regular random lootgen right?  The highest I think I have at all is +9 and I have never been high enoughlvl to wear it.
  

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Reply #11 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 7:03pm
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Yeah, only named item with +10 cha is Stolen Necklace, which is pretty sweet if you can find the +19 spellcraft version. Otherwise lootgen is trivial to get, you'll probably want a +10 cha/+10 resist cloak or necklace or goggles.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 7:43pm
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Check out my build post if you haven't already: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/423364-U19-shiradi-WF-sorc-build-prime...

I'll post an update based on soloing EE with gear and feats some time, but much less play time now days.  The template however is extremely powerful and capable of soloing all U19 EEs, including EE WGU. 

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1) Maximize
1H) Empower
3) Wiz past life
6) Spell Focus Conj
9) Heighten
12) Grtr spell focus conj
15) Spell pen
18) Grtr spell pen
21) Epic spell pen
24) Epic spell focus Conj
27) Ruin? Epic CHA?

Drop all spell penetration and spell focuses, pick up mental toughness, IMT and EMT, toughness and epic toughness. Forget about epic spells and pick up more spellpower.  Also drop your mortal coil and be a god as an immortal warforged. 

Don't bother with conjuration and web as shiradi already has some of the best CC in the game in the form of nerve venom, ice storm, fight club, not standing still, displacement, dodge stacking and mobs being dead.  And yes, your cleric lives were a waste of time. 

Also, you may also strongly consider an int based sorc: 16 sorc/2 monk/2 fvs following cdr's guide.  It's honestly just a stronger template in every way since DCs are worthless to shiradi casters and because turbine is terrible at class balance.  However, 16 sorc/2 fvs/2 paladin works more than fine too and probably has less chance of being affected by changes nerfed.
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 7:54pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 7:43pm:
Check out my build post if you haven't already: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/423364-U19-shiradi-WF-sorc-build-prime...

I'll post an update based on soloing EE with gear and feats some time, but much less play time now days.  The template however is extremely powerful and capable of soloing all U19 EEs, including EE WGU. 

Drop all spell penetration and spell focuses, pick up mental toughness, IMT and EMT, toughness and epic toughness. Forget about epic spells and pick up more spellpower.  Also drop your mortal coil and be a god as an immortal warforged. 

Don't bother with conjuration and web as shiradi already has some of the best CC in the game in the form of nerve venom, ice storm, fight club, not standing still, displacement, dodge stacking and mobs being dead.  And yes, your cleric lives were a waste of time. 

Also, you may also strongly consider an int based sorc: 16 sorc/2 monk/2 fvs following cdr's guide.  It's honestly just a stronger template in every way since DCs are worthless to shiradi casters and because turbine is terrible at class balance.  However, 16 sorc/2 fvs/2 paladin works more than fine too and probably has less chance of being affected by changes nerfed.

I actually have your post subscribed on the other forums already, and I looked over it a lot.  Being an RPer from way back, Selee is not WF and I can't have her WF on her last life.  It's just not happening.  I may well drop the spell pen feats for the Mental Toughness line, but dropping my Conjuration line also isn't happening, it's just a fun factor for me, and if I am not having fun why play?  Seeing the monsters stop in their tracks and doing their "struggle" animation is and always has been one of my favorite things to do to them.

  

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Reply #14 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 8:40pm
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Human sorc 20 evocation specced in draconic incarnation Wink

Very fun to play, maybe not as uber awesome sauce as shiradi, but I really don't have the time/caring to solo EEs so this build is the build for me.......

Also energy burst is fun Tongue
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 12:35am
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Web is still fine CC in some EE content. AFAIK EE U17/U19 melee mobs will just tear right through it though.

And yeah, if you're deadset on conjuration, think about draconic. Draconic's DPS is at least as good as shiradi (and better burst DPS) but it runs out of mana a heck of a lot quicker.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 7:51pm
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cdr wrote on Sep 26th, 2013 at 12:35am:
Web is still fine CC in some EE content. AFAIK EE U17/U19 melee mobs will just tear right through it though.

And yeah, if you're deadset on conjuration, think about draconic. Draconic's DPS is at least as good as shiradi (and better burst DPS) but it runs out of mana a heck of a lot quicker.


this....if you plan on soloing hard EEs i recommend shiradi, but if you're like me and don't really care about soloing EEs (I still run them, but in groups.....although I have soloed a couple EEs....) I find draconic better.........

also im tempted to do 3 clrc lives then do primary acid/back up fire human draconic conj main spell type/evo back up.......hmmmmm
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Reply #17 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 8:31pm
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kierg10 wrote on Sep 26th, 2013 at 7:51pm:
this....if you plan on soloing hard EEs i recommend shiradi, but if you're like me and don't really care about soloing EEs (I still run them, but in groups.....although I have soloed a couple EEs....) I find draconic better.........

also im tempted to do 3 clrc lives then do primary acid/back up fire human draconic conj main spell type/evo back up.......hmmmmm

Well the good thing is once I max both I can swap back and forth as I like... will take a while but hey its more fate points anyway.
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 9:21pm
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After the discussion here and on the other forums I came up with this spell and feat list:

1) shield, prot/evil, jump, magic missile
2) Web, scorching ray, resist energy, blur
3) fireball, haste, chain missiles, displacement
4) Wall of Fire, fire shield, force missiles, enervation
5) Ball Lightning, Eladar's Electric, Prot/elements, Cyclonic Blast
6) Disintegrate, Chain Lightning, Acid fog
7) Prismatic Spray, DBF
8) Ottos Irresistable Dance

SLA's - shocking grasp, electric loop, lightning bolt, burning hands, scorch

After going through this, I can definitely see doing away with the spell pen line. I literally have 1 spell that would benefit from it..

So I can have my high DC web and my SP too.... yes please!

Let's see what the feat line looks like now:

1) Maximize
1H) Empower
3) Wiz past life
6) Spell Focus Conj
9) Heighten
12) Grtr spell focus conj
15) Mental Toughness
18) Quicken
21) Empower Healing Spell (for cocoon and spring)
24) Improved Mental Toughness
27) Epic Spell Focus Conj

Hmm, that looks good.. Anyone see other improvements in the spell line or feat choices?
  

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Reply #19 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 10:33pm
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I know you love your webs, but I'd personally take epic mental toughness over epic spell focus.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 10:50pm
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I knew someone would say that.. But 1% spell crit isn't gonna kill me and the 200sp is made up with bauble, so... me likey web!
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 10:51pm
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No DDoor?  I hate lives without DDoor...
  

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Reply #22 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 10:59pm
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No DDoor?  I hate lives without DDoor...

Yeah... 4th lvl is so damn crowded.  I may very well drop force missiles for it, but I need enervation since no energy drain, wall of fire is absolutely necessary, fire shield is a life saver.
  

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Reply #23 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 11:48pm
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You can scroll Fire Shield just fine.
  
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You can scroll Fire Shield just fine.


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