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Cleric Build advice...my head hurts
Oct 1st, 2013 at 4:12pm
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Time to stick my head above the parapet and to admit to struggling with a build for a 3rd life pure cleric (yup Pure). The play style I am aiming to achieve is primarily healing with a focus on light based spells and turning. Apologies in advance for the amount of reading, if you can be bothered to do so, that is. In detail...here is what I have at present:

Level 25 Human Cleric

ST 24
DEX 21
CON 32
INT 13
WIS 41
CH 33

Feats
Bulwark of defence
Epic Mental Toughness
Spontaneous Casting
Coin Lords Finishing School training
Draconic Vitality
Emp Heal
Epic Skills
Extend
Heavy/Med/Light Armour Prof
Imp/Heroic Durability
Imp/ Mental Toughness
Light Armour Prof
Magical Training
Maximise
Qicken
Past Life Cleric
Religious Lore
Shield Prof
Toughness

Enhancements
Divine Vitality
Human Versatility: Skill
Positive Energy Aura + Burst
+1 WIS x 2
Activity Surge DEX
Altruism
Bliss
Divine Emissary of Light
Don’t Count me out
Efficient Empower/Maximise/
Endless Turning
Energy of the disciple
Extra Turning
Healing Domain
Human Adapt (WIS)
Improved Empower Healing
Improved recovery
Improved turning
Incredible Healing
Intense Healing
Mighty turning
Radiant Servant?
Righteous weapons
Sacred defence
Spell critical universal
Spell Penetration
Spell power Light
Spell power Universal x2
Sun Bolt
Toughness

What she is wearing
Intricate field optics (Insight CH +3)
Flawless Blue DS (Nat Armour 7, Draconic Mind, Spell Pen III, Spell Lore VI, Potency 80, Superior Light resist)
Manacles of ceaseless toil ST+8 CON+8
RING1: Stormreaver Prophesy +200SP WIS 8 Resist 7
RING2: Ancient Band: Prot 7 Fort 100
Surefooted Boots:
Gauntlets of Immortality (incl. Fear Immunity)
Cloak DEX7, Superior Lightning Resist
Shamanic Fetish (incl. Blind Immunity)
Deaths Locket
Helm of Blue Dragon (Luck +2, Insight WIS +2, CON +8 Draconic Mind)
Bulwark of Storm Fist
Weapons: Swap between Impulse IV Heal Lore and Radiance

I have not yet included any twists although I have 5 points waiting to be used.

Sorry for the amount of reading. Any (hopefully constructive), advice would be welcome.


  
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Re: Cleric Build advice...my head hurts
Reply #1 - Oct 1st, 2013 at 8:16pm
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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 8:16pm:
Delete account. No hope for you.


Aye, I expected that sort of response, having read some of your posts on the other forums Anal. Thing is, I enjoy the game and much though you may not like it, am helping subsidise your play through my VIP account.

How about some "constructive" comments. Perhaps it may help save your soul.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 5:18am
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fishcoli wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 3:06am:
Aye, I expected that sort of response, having read some of your posts on the other forums Anal. Thing is, I enjoy the game and much though you may not like it, am helping subsidise your play through my VIP account.

How about some "constructive" comments. Perhaps it may help save your soul.

Oh wow, you're a VIP. You're not helping subsidise jack shit, dumbass.

You're feat selection sucks, your DCs suck, your gear sucks and you're a fucking useless hjealbot. The fact that you can't get your WIS to 50 on a third life toon is pretty fucking sad. You're not worth the trouble of posting a decent build.
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Re: Cleric Build advice...my head hurts
Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 5:32am
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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 5:18am:
you're a fucking useless hjealbot.


Ding Ding Ding..Aa-a-a-and we have  A Winner!
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 6:40am
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Nothing wrong with a healbot.  You just have to group with people interested in challenging characters vs being ezmode self heal/toughness/evasion/survival bots who say fuck everyone else why are you taking damage?

Real players don't need toughness feats.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 7:20am
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"Light casting" by itself is really weak ( well you can get your radiance up, crit chance up, Shiradi and spam slas, Avenging light and stuff but it's almost as stupid as fucking Shiradi+mm/fm ).
I got "full retard light fvs/ pally " and it's weak offense.
Without sorc lives you can't really get good evo, maybe go necro ? It won't do shit it Stormhorns ( and you wont' have spell pen for drow content, full retard completionist can get to maybe 65  ), but "respectable" ~ 60 should be okay ish in GH and stuff.
Bulwark of defence will not work with Sentinel stances if that's what you going for.
But it's really hard to even decide wtf to do, divine casting is in the weirdest fucking situation ever.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 9:48am
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Wipe wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 7:20am:
Light casting" by itself is really weak ( well you can get your radiance up, crit chance up, Shiradi and spam slas, Avenging light and stuff but it's almost as stupid as fucking Shiradi+mm/fm ).
I got "full retard light fvs/ pally " and it's weak offense.
Without sorc lives you can't really get good evo, maybe go necro ? It won't do shit it Stormhorns ( and you wont' have spell pen for drow content, full retard completionist can get to maybe 65  ), but "respectable" ~ 60 should be okay ish in GH and stuff.
Bulwark of defence will not work with Sentinel stances if that's what you going for.
But it's really hard to even decide wtf to do, divine casting is in the weirdest fucking situation ever.


Cheers for that Encair, I could not agree with you more.  Its the "wtf to do" that prompted the post. Easiest thing in the world to make comments such as those from Anal (never had a negative comment when in party as a cleric, so what does he know. Its not always size that matters, its how you use it in my mind).  I know the build is full of flaws. It sort of exemplifies the frustration myself and many others are having in choosing a decent path for what I what to do with clerics. Currently experimenting with a toon dealing max light damage.
  
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Re: Cleric Build advice...my head hurts
Reply #8 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:08am
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For the rare times you need a healer, the party only wants a healer. They don't really care what else you can do. All you have to do is show up and save them from using clickies/pots/items swaps. If you can cast, melee, whatever, then that's cool, but really your role is to save them from using resources or cover those that can't heal themselves which is becoming more and more rare.

So really, it doesn't matter what you want to do other than heal, as long as you keep the bars red. You can pew pew, you can cast, you can melee, you can jack off in the corner, doesn't really matter. I don't even use my healer anymore, just one raid, once a week, only because he's also the Reaver Tank for most runs. If we don't need him to tank I swap to something useful, like a self-healing melee.
  
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Re: Cleric Build advice...my head hurts
Reply #9 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:24am
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Some people gear up, grind past lives, destinies, theory craft because they like the class and some balance / interaction between healing / casting / piking etc.
Not because their guild / friends need hjealzor twice a week for fot or swap toon for citw. Trying to find a way / use in current game for the class you like, not because "you have to have one" cause noone else willing to swap for that Citw.
Impossible, YES I KNOW.
/brb rerolling to robot Shiradi.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:32am
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1.  Roll a cleric.

2.  Hjeal meh.

Done.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:40am
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Bigjunk wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:32am:
1.  Roll a cleric.

2.  Hjeal meh.

Done.


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Packfan wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:08am:
For the rare times you need a healer, the party only wants a healer. They don't really care what else you can do. All you have to do is show up and save them from using clickies/pots/items swaps.


Good point Scunc and the essence of what I primarily took the class to do.  In my opinion, at times, the piviotal difference between wipe and no wipe. A lot of time seems to be built in to dps/self sustaining (to an extent), builds. You have quoted, in my opinion, situations where a pure heal cleric is a preferred requirement. Perhaps the DDO developers should look at providing more opportunities for this to be the case. Otherwise, whats the point.  Perhaps the days of the pure heal class is numbered, but, in my opinion, the enjoyment is had from keeping all of the party alive at the end of the quest, rather than brag about the number of kills you made.

The point made by Encair is a valid one..

Wipe wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 7:20am:
But it's really hard to even decide wtf to do, divine casting is in the weirdest fucking situation ever.


Its hard to decide what to do. Hence, the opening of this thread.

Build suggestions are still most appreciated, although I cringe at the thought of what anal and Alex are going to contribute.

Good luck and good hunting all.
  
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 5:32am:
Ding Ding Ding..Aa-a-a-and we have  A Winner!


Reminds me of the little bloke at school who used to run around  saying "let me be your friend"...so sad!

Please read the post and give some original CONSTRUCTIVE comments (if the neurons are still firing that is).
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 12:39am
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fishcoli wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 4:43pm:
Reminds me of the little bloke at school who used to run around  saying "let me be your friend"...so sad!

Please read the post and give some original CONSTRUCTIVE comments (if the neurons are still firing that is).



CONSTRUCTIVE comments only for CONSTRUCTIVE builds.
Questioning other people's neuron activity when your own are not even all there?

You should blame your parents.
  

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Reply #15 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 8:28am
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*shrug*  My cleric has been on the shelf since u19; I'd just managed to get up to a decent standard as a casting cleric and then all kindsa crazy shit happened and I know longer have a clue what to do with him.  But then, I solo everything apart from those rare occasions when there's a guildy around so what I've ended up with is a half-baked evoker with a preposterously over-specced self-healing ability. 

I want to find a way to make the class work, I really do, but one Shiraditard is (more than) enough for me and my wizard does it better...  So on the shelf he will continue to sit until inspiration strikes.
  

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wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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It really is fucking retarded.
Searing sla, Searing light spell,  holy smite sla, unmetaed bb + Shiradi. Cycling shit and jumping like an idiot .
Best spell is wizzy past life clickie lol.

And it's more effective most the time than 60+ evo, full retard turning and stuff.
At least get mastery stacking back.

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Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:37am
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fishcoli wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 4:43pm:
Please read the post and give some original CONSTRUCTIVE comments.


Hey shit-for-brains, if you had bothered to use your noggin and actually posted the build in a
R-E-A-D-A-B-L-E    F-O-R-M
we might have been bothered to help you with it.

Anything with 17 lvls of cleric and 19 WIS can be an effective hjealbot. Spend all your AP in Radiant Servant and you're done.

Get off your pompous "i'm a vip and i'm better then all of you" ass and make an effort to at least present a build properly.

Persiflage wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 8:28am:
I want to find a way to make the class work, I really do

Do tell.
  

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Reply #18 - Oct 12th, 2013 at 3:15am
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How about epic feats for castery cleric, anyone tried ?
Great wis at 26 of course, took Guardian Angel at 27 ( thinking Epic DR or light SP would be better, that 30 seconds in not a lot ), but can't decide on lvl 28 one.
Mass Frog, that DC is a joke.
Does Forced escape work at all ? What cooldown.
Or Elusive Target.
Or plain toughness.
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 12th, 2013 at 11:37am
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Epic Spellpower - Positive
Epic Spellpower - Light

These are what I'm considering.
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 12th, 2013 at 8:46pm
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Arkat wrote on Oct 12th, 2013 at 11:37am:
Epic Spellpower - Positive
Epic Spellpower - Light

These are what I'm considering.


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