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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Lifestealing nerf? Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:03pm	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/427963-The-quot-Life-Stealing-quot-eff... Someone claims that it's now a 40 percent chance of level draining on criticals. Can anyone verify? If it's true it would make nightmares less appealing.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #1 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:14pm	Print Post
	The guy is guessing, come on he pulled the number completely out of his ass.


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #2 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	While his percentage is probably bogus, it doesn't discount the possibility of a nerf.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #3 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	Would be funny if all the people complaining about their Cormyrian not working like Nightmare ends up with Nightmare nerfed to have closer to the Cormyrian proc chance.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #4 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Cormyrian only procs on a 20.


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Osharan Tregarth Horoluth Raider Offline I'm an ass... Deal with it. Posts: 2663 Location: Fresno Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #5 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:16pm: Cormyrian only procs on a 20. By design? They're talking about the lammania release notes.

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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #6 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:24am	Print Post
	Osharan Tregarth wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:43pm: By design?� They're talking about the lammania release notes. The item description says on crit, just like all the other Life Stealing weapons. So it's either working incorrectly or they put the wrong description on it.


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #7 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:51am	Print Post
	This is all fallout from Turbine�s �Measure Once, Nerf Twice� coding policy. Remember back when stunned = Autocrit? Well, when they changed it to �+50% damage, Fuck you rogues.� they also gave us a nerf to the original WooWoo stick (Dreamspitter) which gave us the �Percentage chance on a crit� shenanigans. You see, both were intended to be fix-all solutions to the problem. However, after the change went to lammaland, it was pointed out to the devs that it was a really stupid change. The devs relented and instead of fixing the perceived problem, they gave us 2 different enchantments. One for named quarterstaves, and one to be forgotten about. Until U14 when they were trying to add awesome stuff to the random loot tables. If they wanted to simplify it, they should just do On-crit, 1 neg level per crit multiplier -1.


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #8 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:58am	Print Post
	It would be nice if they actually fix it for cormyian weapons as they said. Lifestealing rapiers for trash sounds fun. Alas, the news on the thread looks like a nerf.
	« Last Edit: Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:09am by Sham »

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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #9 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:48am	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:51am: �+50% damage, Fuck you rogues.� Wait, what? Helplessness ensures SA damage. SA damage is enhanced by +50% (or more, if you have destinies/enhancements) and added to your damage. The display of that extra SA damage is counterintuitive, as it's not added to the SA damage part of the damage display, but the 'normal damage', i.e. the first number. Please explain the "Fuck you, Rogues" to me, or do your homework first.

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Astraghal Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 883 Joined: Jun 13^th, 2010	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #10 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:56am	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:51am: This is all fallout from Turbine�s �Measure Once, Nerf Twice� coding policy.� Remember back when stunned = Autocrit?� Well, when they changed it to �+50% damage, Fuck you rogues.� they also gave us a nerf to the original WooWoo stick (Dreamspitter) which gave us the �Percentage chance on a crit� shenanigans.� You see, both were intended to be fix-all solutions to the problem.� However, after the change went to lammaland, it was pointed out to the devs that it was a really stupid change.� The devs relented and instead of fixing the perceived problem, they gave us 2 different enchantments.� One for named quarterstaves, and one to be forgotten about.� Until U14 when they were trying to add awesome stuff to the random loot tables. If they wanted to simplify it, they should just do On-crit, 1 neg level per crit multiplier -1. IIRC they changed it back from natural 20 to full crit range on the Dreamspitter and Sora Katra weapons, when people complained that the nerf made them useless. It wasn't just a chance either, you WOULD proc a woo-woo effect, not just a chance of one. I'm going off memory here though, so that might be completely wrong. The might have changed it from chance of proc to definate proc.
	« Last Edit: Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:57am by Astraghal »

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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #11 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 5:28am	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:48am: Wait, what? Helplessness ensures SA damage. SA damage is enhanced by +50% (or more, if you have destinies/enhancements) and added to your damage. The display of that extra SA damage is counterintuitive, as it's not added to the SA damage part of the damage display, but the 'normal damage', i.e. the first number. Please explain the "Fuck you, Rogues" to me, or do your homework first. This. I fail to see how Rogues are being fucked? Other than 50% from helpless they now got No Mercy (30% extra) which also stacks with Sense Weakness. Same goes for Ninja Monks.


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #12 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:10am	Print Post
	QuantumFX wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:51am: This is all fallout from Turbine�s �Measure Once, Nerf Twice� coding policy.� This should be a new tagline.

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #13 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am	Print Post
	One guy is claiming 33% proc in that thread now, another 10%... so glad I didn't get around to switching my centered kensai over to Nightmares.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #14 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:19am	Print Post
	Thanks Ric Flair build


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #15 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:39am	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am: One guy is claiming 33% proc in that thread now, another 10%... so glad I didn't get around to switching my centered kensai over to Nightmares. We can hope it's just not WAI at the moment. Oh wait. Turbine.

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #16 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 12:17pm	Print Post
	It's been 50% on crit for years. Since people are retarded, and can't figure out obvious stuff like Tempest and Deft Strikes stacking, I'll test this myself tonight on the kobolds in the dojo


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #17 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:48am: Wait, what? Helplessness ensures SA damage. SA damage is enhanced by +50% (or more, if you have destinies/enhancements) and added to your damage. The display of that extra SA damage is counterintuitive, as it's not added to the SA damage part of the damage display, but the 'normal damage', i.e. the first number. Please explain the "Fuck you, Rogues" to me, or do your homework first. Because of the way the numbers are displayed, it appears that sneak attack damage isn't being increased. A quick test will show that it does increase sneak attack damage, though the numbers aren't added where you would expect. I wouldn't be surprised if some people thought sneak attack damage wasn't increased because of that.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #18 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:26pm	Print Post
	Nightmare and Sacrificial daggers have always critted somewhere between 50-75% of the time on Crits. Cormyrian has always critted much more like 33% of crits, if not significantly less. I believe this change was made to make everything the same. I cannot confirm if they nerfed non-Cormyrian life stealing weapons, or buffed the cormyrians. I have a number of both and will try to test: Obscenity Cormyrian Life Stealing Named Item Life Stealing


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #19 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:26pm: Nightmare and Sacrificial daggers have always critted somewhere between 50-75% of the time on Crits. Cormyrian has always critted much more like 33% of crits, if not significantly less. I believe this change was made to make everything the same. I cannot confirm if they nerfed non-Cormyrian life stealing weapons, or buffed the cormyrians. I have a number of both and will try to test: Obscenity Cormyrian Life Stealing Named Item Life Stealing You must not confirm your crits then. My nightmares neg'd on every crit. My daggers neg'd on every crit. Nightmare was neg level on every crit. Not just a chance. Every one. Cormyrian life-stealing was on a 20. Not just a chance. Every 20. What they're doing is making it so that it IS a chance instead of a guarantee. Nerf for Nightmare, buff for cormyrian.
	« Last Edit: Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:59pm by rest »

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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #20 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	Is it possible that the proc is only on confirmed crits?� That could explain the differences in people's observations. Some toons will confirm just about every crit, so it effectively looks like any crit does the job.� Toons that don't confirm practically every crit will see varying percetages of the proc depending on circumstances. Edit: Gah!� Looks like rest pretty much already said this.
	« Last Edit: Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:13pm by GooFY »

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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #21 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 2:59pm	Print Post
	Astraghal wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:56am: IIRC they changed it back from natural 20 to full crit range on the Dreamspitter and Sora Katra weapons, when people complained that the nerf made them useless. It wasn't just a chance either, you WOULD proc a woo-woo effect, not just a chance of one. I'm going off memory here though, so that might be completely wrong. The might have changed it from chance of proc to definate proc. That's what I'm saying.� They changed it to chance to proc, choned that decision and left both the new and old versions in the code.� Along comes U14 and the nerfed version goes to Cormerian weapons and the good version goes on Nightmare/Sacrificial Daggers. aDifferentHandle wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:48am: Please explain the "Fuck you, Rogues" to me, or do your homework first. Their first iteration of that change did not have the extra damage for sneak attack.
	« Last Edit: Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:05pm by QuantumFX »

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #22 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:58pm: You must not confirm your crits then. My nightmares neg'd on every crit. My daggers neg'd on every crit. Nightmare was neg level on every crit. Not just a chance. Every one. Cormyrian life-stealing was on a 20. Not just a chance. Every 20. What they're doing is making it so that it IS a chance instead of a guarantee. Nerf for Nightmare, buff for cormyrian. I'm sorry, you're imagining things.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #23 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:02pm: I'm sorry, you're imagining things. No, I'm not.


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IMARANGER Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5034 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2013	Re: Lifestealing nerf? Reply #24 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:02pm: I'm sorry, you're imagining things. This could quickly be settled with video proof.

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