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Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:10pm
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Last week we updated Lamannia with a new barter option in place for earning Hearts of Wood in-game. While we would have been better if the information I posting here was released at the same time, we received feedback from the community on the most concerning issues that come with both introducing a new system and changing an old. Below, I intend to address a few facts on the system, cover some of the design thoughts and also address concerns that were highlighted over the weekend.


When Update 20 goes out to live servers, there will be a new commendation available through select Epic Sagas that will allow players to barter for Hearts of Wood. Initially these Epic Sagas will offer an option to claim a Commendation of Valor; in time we intend to add additional methods to obtain “Commendations of Valor.”

(a) Saga: The End of Eberron (Epic)
(b) Saga: Perils of Cormyr (Epic)
(c) Saga: The Planeswalker’s Path (Epic)
(d) Saga: Menace of the Underdark (Epic)
(e) Saga: Honor of the Huntsilvers (Epic)
(f) Saga: In the Wastes of Gianthold (Epic)

A quest can overlap two or more sagas. In the situation where a quest is in multiple sagas, you will receive completion credit for each saga, for example, completing “A stay at the Inn” from the Update 16 Adventure Pack will reward credit in 3 Saga’s (b, c, e above). In this way, you can complete 5 sagas by playing 36 quests, and various combinations within that scenario if you prefer to skip some content.

The points you earn from completing a saga will vary based on the difficulty you completed them in. The number of commendations earned on an all elite run is 3-4 times that of an all normal run. In addition to difficulty, the higher level sagas tend to reward more commendations as well. Since the commendation is the currency, the important figure is the cost of the Hearts of Wood.

Feedback received:
The prices on Lamannia are not final – inspired by the Lamannia feedback, the Heroic Heart of Wood will be greatly reduced from the price displayed in the bartershop today. We’ll be looking at your additional feedback and how players play through sagas, and adjust the costs appropriately. We expect the average player to, upon reaching the minimum level requirement, spend additional hours to obtain a Heart of Wood – but never hundreds of hours. Since the heroic goal is 20, we are lowering the expectation of number of Epic quests needed to earn the heart. You will find that Iconic and Epic hearts cost more because you are expected to earn most of it during gameplay, if you approach earning commendations as your priority reward for Sagas. We are still working on these values, and next Lamannia update they will be lower (though still open to adjustment up/down based on feedback)

Saga’s have been intermittently off since they were introduced this summer. We approached this system with much consideration for delivering something this important, so it is not taken lightly, and we are focused on making sure that Sagas remain available for players who have already started engaging with them, even before the commendations were “the new thing”.

What are we solving?
•      The saga system serves to spread out repeat questing and reward for playing a variety of content and more challenging content. It does not penalize for playing out of order and you can be on track for multiple sagas simultaneously.
•      One thing, which players have already pointed out, is we are moving to a single game currency specifically for Hearts of Wood. New content, Eberron or FR, will not use Tokens of the Twelve, formerly “Epic Dungeon Tokens.” Originally intended as a hardcore option for the most Elite level cap builds – prior to U14 - the accessibility was made trivial for some when Epic levels were introduced. We left that unchecked and low priority for some time and there is an amazing disparity between players that can grind dozens in hours vs. the majority that takes days (20-30 hours) of gameplay to accomplish – we are balancing this system.
•      Along those lines, for over a year DDO has not been adding to the Twelve tokens reward system, quite the opposite, and we will continue to deprecate this system over time. As this is being written, the design team is discussing a few approaches to how this will be done.


Feedback received:
As of this writing, Update 20 will not remove the Heart of Wood from the Twelve barter NPC. Next steps will be discussed at a later date, but eventually commendations will be the preferred method of exchange – ideally this is preferred by most players, today that is not the case and we are acting accordingly.
I do want to point out that the name of the True Druidic Heart of Wood is changing to Heroic Heart of Wood and all existing true-hearts will be updated to match.

As we work to get Reincarnation out to Lamannia, we will also make initial updates to the bartershops with Hearts of Wood.

I realize there are more topics to cover on this subject and we aim to address this here, on the Lamannia forums, during development.


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/428583-Earning-Hearts-of-Wood-post-U20...


Yes I know it was pasted in the other thread. But it needed to be more upfront imo.
  

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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:13pm
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No worries. I don't think they get it still *IMO* *YMMV*.
  
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dear majmal how is this assclown better than the last assclown again? forgive me as a player the game just keeps getting shittier under his watch, just like the last guy, so please remind me why he is a breath of fresh air again. thanks.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:22pm
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It took them a whole day to go in circles.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:22pm
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I think they get that they're too close to U20's release to go live with Tokens of the Twelve being removed without a serious uproar. Whether it will be U20.1, U21, U22, or never is an open question but they knew the heat was too high to do it now.

I'm fine with them 'deprecating the system over time' as long as they put in a system to replace it that's reasonable to farm, BTA, and doesn't have sagas as the only option for gaining TR hearts.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:27pm
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"...Originally intended as a hardcore option for the most Elite level cap builds – prior to U14 - the accessibility was made trivial for some when Epic levels were introduced. We left that unchecked and low priority for some time and there is an amazing disparity between players that can grind dozens in hours vs. the majority that takes days (20-30 hours) of gameplay to accomplish – we are balancing this system..."

This is the most obtuse and retarded thing I've seen from Turbine yet.  Balancing by screwing those who ran your mousewheel and did what you asked for the piece of cheese?  It wasn't even like they exploited your game... well, they might have, but that's not germane to this topic.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:28pm
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When I can literally type 'bullshit' after every paragraph...
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:30pm
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Bah, calling such an outcry feedback, not even a single apology for the shit they put into commotion, lack of any sympathy towards the players.
Took him far too long to compose rudimentary answer like this.
Bloke's a wanker same as the majority still working there.
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Reply #8 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:33pm
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That's outright telling us that they think TR hearts are currently too easy to obtain. Even if a heroic heart is "greatly reduced", remember where that reduction is starting from - expect major grind.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:40pm
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Turbine is PATHETIC.
  

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Having never played a Korean MMO, I have a question for those people who would always reply that DDO is nowhere near as grindy as a Korean MMO.

Are we there yet?
  

Memnir wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 10:59am:
Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Reply #11 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:51pm
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sadface wrote on Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:21pm:
dear majmal how is this assclown better than the last assclown again? forgive me as a player the game just keeps getting shittier under his watch, just like the last guy, so please remind me why he is a breath of fresh air again. thanks.


Rowan is the assclown that Maj likes, not Glin.

Glin's the assclown that dropped the ball with the Epic Destiny XP being reset whenever you TR. Rowan was the one that came in to clean up Glin's mess.

It's hard to remember that the two aren't the same person since they were both introduced to use because of the Epic Destiny XP fiasco.

Rowan = assclown that can stop things when there is a playerbase outcry
Glin = assclown that screws things up cuz he's busy dicking around on twitter with his twitter buddies
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:52pm
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sadface wrote on Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:21pm:
dear majmal how is this assclown better than the last assclown again? forgive me as a player the game just keeps getting shittier under his watch, just like the last guy, so please remind me why he is a breath of fresh air again. thanks.


Different assclown. ProducerRowan is his buddy. Glin, ah so many words can describe him...

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Reply #13 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:54pm
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holy shit both these assclowns are steering the ship?

why does turbine still hate me? Cry
  
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Kimberlite wrote on Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:44pm:
Having never played a Korean MMO, I have a question for those people who would always reply that DDO is nowhere near as grindy as a Korean MMO.

Are we there yet?

Actually still no.  Believe it or not...
  

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https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/428583-Earning-Hearts-of-Wood-post-U20...

I know I did not cover everything in one post.
We are still listening - even though I often see that people think we don't. There are a lot of opinions being expressed.

The topics I covered today were already in discussion during the design talks, some of the other details were not debated as much but will be now.

I can't answer on a change for bind type. Please be patient for the answer.

I can't tell you how long twelve tokens will be the "preferred method".
I would like to see it cleaned it up as a system, consolidate the items, get the right balance, etc. But not at the detriment of people enjoying the game. ...or excluding content.

Thank you for continuing to give us opinions, examples of how you play are also useful feedback tools. We'll keep working on the communication flow.
  
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Selee wrote on Oct 21st, 2013 at 9:02pm:
Actually still no.  Believe it or not...

I can believe it. What I struggle with believing is how out of touch the developers are with the game and the userbase. I don't know if they could wreck DDO faster if they tried.
  

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Fuck turbine that is all.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 9:17pm
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I'm too depressed to dredge through the wiki and figure it out - are any of the sagas completeable by F2P solo? Or are they telling that demographic to pay or go pound salt?

  

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Reply #19 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 9:26pm
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Pretty sure all the sagas are at least in part p2p
  
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Reply #20 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 9:26pm
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pay or go fuck yourself is what producer assclown 1 is saying
  
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Spybot wrote on Oct 21st, 2013 at 8:30pm:
Bah, calling such an outcry feedback, not even a single apology for the shit they put into commotion, lack of any sympathy towards the players.
Took him far too long to compose rudimentary answer like this.
Bloke's a wanker same as the majority still working there.


Yeah. What a gem. Seems like the only thing he really heard is that shoving this down our throat will take him more than one update.
  

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at least producer assclown 2 has veto rights, if he could be bothered to give a fuck. Cry
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 9:48pm
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Wow.  Glin is a fucking moron.  He is utterly the stupidest entity ive encountered in online gaming.  Ever.  How is it possible for him to breath without mechanical assistance?  Does he have cordovan hold his dick so he can piss in the toilet and not in his own face? 

Glin: give up.  Games are not for you.  Matter of fact, you should work at a sewage treatment plant so we can be certain you dont contaminate the gene pool.
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 9:50pm
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Meat-Head wrote on Oct 21st, 2013 at 9:32pm:
Yeah. What a gem. Seems like the only thing he really heard is that shoving this down our throat will take him more than one update.



well at least they are letting us get used to the throat fucking before going balls deep instead of the immediate oral rape they originally planned.
  

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