cdr wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:30pm:


Worst decision possible. Lose 8% Shuriken proc from -4 Dex (not in Wind stance) and another -4% from -2 dex in earth stance.

Those crits are a joke compared 2-3 more shuriken on average with their terrible crit threat and multi.

Never mountain on a shuri build like this. Worst stance possible. This builds damage comes from:

-Mulitple Shuriken
-Procs
-Dex to Damage
-SA
.....
.....
.....
-Crits

Pretty much in that order.

Also, SA damage has nothing to do with having higher or lower dex, you're just down damage if your dex is lower period. You get SA damage whether your dex is high or low, so not really a factor in this.

harharharhar wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:06pm:


You mentionned you were running a 20monk build. So less SA.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:18pm:


It's my main reason for running it. 1 ki gen just doesn't cut it. 2 is good, 3 would be perfect. I get 2 from running water and having tier 3 Contemplation.

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Distributed wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:19pm:


Not exactly. You CAN get extra DEX procs on every 10k Proc. Every 10K star proc has a % = tp your Dex for another Shuriken, and a (Dex score as % * Dex Score as %) chance to proc 2 Additional Shuriken. On a perfect roll, with 3 10K Procs, you could proc 2 More on each from Dex for 12 SHURIKEN (4 Total Shuriken, each proccing 2 Extra from ANT and SE)

Throw Once and you can get:
1 from Shuri Expertise (60%) or
1 From Advanced Ninja Training (ANT) (60%) or
2 From Shuri Expertise and ANT (.6x.6 = 32%). Every. Single. Throw. Has a 32% chance for 3 Shuriken at 60 Dex. Conversely, it's 21.1% chance with 46 DEX.

During 10k you can get (lets say 60 Dex and 36 Wisdom)
1 from 10k (13x3=39+30=69%)
2 From 10k (13x3=39-20=19%) BUT the chance of this happening is .69x.19 = 13.11%
You'll never get 3

During 10k you can get (lets say 46 Dex and 46 Wisdom as you have)
1 from 10k (18x3=54+30=84%)
2 From 10k (18x3=54-20=34%) BUT the chance of this happening is .84x.34= 28.5%
3 From 10 (18-15=3%) BUT the chance of this happening is .84x.34x.03 = 1% AKA who gives a shit, this is not meaningful. 

You have a 13.11% chance at 3 Shuriken with 36 Wisdom, HALF THE TIME.

You have a 28.5% of 3 Shuirken with 46 Wisdom, HALF THE TIME.


Looked at another way:

60 Dex:
1 Shuri: 8%
2 Shuri: 60%
3 Shuri: 32%
1(.08) + 2*(.60) +3*(.32) = 2.24 Avg Shuriken


46 Dex:
1 Shuri: 32%
2 Shuri: 46%
3 Shuri: 24%
1(.32) + 2*(.46) +3*(.24) = 1.96 Avg Shuriken

That's a Permanent 12.5% Decrease in extra procs, ALL THE TIME, including during 10K Stars.

During 10K you get:

46 Wisdom
84% for 2 Shuriken
34% for 3 Shuriken but really 28.5%
3% for 4 Shuriken but really .855% (less than 1%)
So
1*(.16)+2*(.84)+3*(.34)+4*(.0085) = 2.894 Shuriken a second /50% of the time

36 Wisdom
69% for 2 Shuriken
19% for 3 Shuriken but really 13.11%
So
1*(.21)+2*(.69)+3*(.19)+4*(0) = 2.16 Shuriken a second /50% of the time.

Soooooooooooooo

Averaging with 10K stars every 30 seconds:

60Dex/36Wis
2.24 + (2.16)*.5 = 3.32 Shuri/throw animation

46Dex/46Wis
1.96 + (2.894)*.5 = 3.407 Shuri/throw animation

So you see you throw about the same amount of stars but you're doing 7 Less Base damage / star because of your Dex is 46 not 60.

Distributed wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:20pm:


You're not calculating the missing damage from lowering your Dex in Water. Also, +1 Ki is fine if all you use it for is 10k (and you switch to Water DURING 10k) with Contemplation Tier 3. If you have to have Shadow Fade, Twist Enlightenment or Sneak around between fights.

harharharhar wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 6:29pm:


Once again, I know that DEX would provide a bit more damage, I never said it would not.

My test was for the number of hits, which you claimed would be MUCH higher with more DEX. But they're almost the exact same thing.

Well, since we figured out the amount of shots are vastly similar, I LRed to give the DEX path a try.

Looking good for now, nice damage numbers. Not feeling the Will save drop much for now but didn't run a whole lot of things. Build will be updated to reflect changes in a bit.

Will get a new video done too to show damage changes.

Video update up. I'm really gonna have to read about how to best record/encode stuff someday. Hate how it looks on youtube.

Distributed wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:


Highly recommend taking IPS at 18, GM of Forms at 21. It is painful to live without.

Question.

What Epic past life would you be taking first? Double shot or Colors of the queen?

Double shot:
Primal Past Life Stance: +3% Doubleshot per stack of this Past Life.

Passive Bonus: +3 maximum HP and +4 per ten character levels.

Colors of the queen:
Primal Past Life Stance: Your unarmed, melee, and ranged attacks and spells have a 7% chance to produce a random effect. This triggers at most once every 30 seconds. Additional stacks of this past life reduce the triggered effect cooldown to 20 seconds and then 10 seconds. (Most of the random effects are extra damage or debuffs on the enemy you hit.)

Passive Bonus: +3 maximum HP and +4 per ten character levels.

Imagine hitting a second proc every 30/20/10 seconds, not sure if it stacks with Shiradi though.

Darkrok wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:


Colors of the queen is completely separate to and independent of double rainbow, ED's, or level.

Anyone know if the Shadar Kai Gloom Stalker works on ranged attacks. I've tested and couldn't get it to proc so I'm thinking no but wanted to check and make sure.

You're famous. Cordovan was talking about your build during his live streaming thing.

You'd better TR out of that build ASAP and delete the threads.