It used to work on weapons.  It stopped a long time ago and I dropped the feats.

I've not tested that for around a year though, thus I asked.

New feats.

cdr wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:


Planar set would definitely be an option, would just have to figure out where to move insightful stats.

As for the Deadly X, my current gearset is basically whatever I could find/afford on AH and what I had in bank . But I would certainly love to have Deadly X Resistance 10 instead.

AtomicMew wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:


Was too much work. I've been working on my AA for the last month but I'll probably take another pass at shiradi wiz soon.

cdr wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

If you weren't using this already, use the combat logger so you can parse combat logs all in one go. 

https://github.com/n0la/dclog

first of all, first rule of shiradi shuriken club is we don't talk about shiradi shuriken club.

2nd of all no metas dont work on weapon procs. what are you all, newbs?

3rd of all your dex should be higher, like significantly higher, than your wisdom. Every point of Dex is a 2% chance for an extra shuriken. Every point of wisdom is some non-descript chance of another shuriken ONLY DURING 10K stars. WHich is not all the time. But extra Dex procs are ALL THE TIME. Your dex should be 58-60ish end game, your wisdom should be between 34-40 (depending on tomes, starting stats gear duh) and you should go water stance for 10k and Wind stance the rest of the time for another 8% shuriken proc (t4).

Also, halfling is useless none of their enhancements for thowing work (ok just the important one doesn't work for crit range). You get Shuriken expertise for free with drow and Elves can get 3% dodge/3% Doubleshot AND racial access to AA (which if you haven't played with is pretty amazing with 7 billion shuriken). The SA is nice but I dont think it's as nice as AA options. Maybe that's a wash.

I mostly have a problem with you balancing wisdom and dex. On this build, Dex will always trump wisdom. You can get extra Dex procs on extra 10k procs for like 8 shuriken at a time and it's amazing.

harharharhar wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 11:58pm:


Halfling was for the lulz.

10k Stars:
1st extra projectile: 3*WisMod+30 percent chance
2nd extra projectile: 3*WisMod-20 percent chance [minimum 24 Wisdom]
3rd extra projectile: Wismod-15 percent chance [minimum 42 Wisdom]
Each projectile is rolled one after the next; ie you must successfully roll the first extra projectile for a chance at a second, and successfully roll the second for a chance at a third.

I am quite satisfied with my stat split.

And fuck your soap.

cdr wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:49am:


Incorrect.

Shuriken Expertise is 1%, and Advanced Ninja Training is also 1%, for every point of dex. That's 2%/1 Dex.

Even if 1 Wisdom was a 2% chance for extra projectile, it would only be for 50% of the time during 10k. Therefore unless 1 Wisdom gives a 4% of extra projectile during 10k it's not worth it over 1 Dex. And I don't think 1 point of Wisdom gives a 4% chance of extra projectiles does it? (I actually already know that I'm right I'm just being rhetorical to seem polite.)

The secret to this problem is that you don't need that much Wisdom to get an extra projectile out of 10K but to hit 3 regularly you sort of do. And the really crucial point where you're throwing 2-3 shuriken that majority of the time is around 60 Dex. So during 10K, you're regularly getting 5-6 and sometimes 7-8. It's absurd.

cdr wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:01am:


They do. I've tested extensively, recently. I have two shuriken builds, a 20monk Shuricannon and a my own 15Wiz/3Monk/2FvS Arcane Thrower that just cycles Pin / MM sla / CM SLA / Searing Ray with a Luck Blade offhand with Force/Fire/Sonic 138 Augments and double rainbow (And No Mercy and Sense Weakness since it makes everything helpless all the time). That build is A LOT of fun.

Actually,

Until update 20, you could throw more than 6 because Doubleshot was not disabled. I was wearing 9% Doubleshot bracers from new content, lvl 28 Double Shot Feat was perma for a total 19% DS, combined with 60 Dex, and 50% of the time, more shuriken from 10K.

Alas, you can no longer do that since 10k has the dumb the -100% DS debuff.

Now the question is at what Dex and Doubleshot does dumping Wisdom and 10K altogether make sense because.

harharharhar wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 12:04pm:


So if you want me to cut everything in half, you only get 33% chance at the first and 8% chance at the second. Not helping yourself there. 10k shots are not independant too, you need to succeed the first one to get a chance at the second. So lowering the wis dramatically affects 10k.

In the end, it's one throw. That throw can get 5 more shots added to it. One from expertise, one from ninja, one from 10k-1, one from 10k-2, one from 10k-3. Those additionnal throws do not interact with each others, as in you don't get 10k procs on an additionnal expertise shuriken.

Honestly feels like there's wouldn't be much difference between both of them on the extra shot side in the long run.

Now, sure it would be a little more DPS, +5 per hit.I never said it would not be, I said I was satisfied with my stat split. I'm sure all the sneak attack damage I deal easily makes up against that +5 damage. Running ocean also gives me the ki gen to keep veil/10k running, since I don't have the monk cap for that. +5 to all saves is also good to have.

Currently working on a script to calculate DEX vs WIS stuff.