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Booooga Dragon Raider Offline Drama? What's drama? Posts: 258 Location: In teh nose Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014 Gender:	Sorc Endgame evocation dc Mar 24^th, 2014 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	Hello, Vaulties. Would like to know DCs for endgame content. Mainly interested in how much WILL saves mobs have.


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Booooga Dragon Raider Offline Drama? What's drama? Posts: 258 Location: In teh nose Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #1 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:04pm: There aren't any good Arcane Evo spells that target will saves. Prismatic spray. Might be just my pipe dream, but sending mobs to another plane igonring DB sound quite fun. Can get it up to ~52 according to my calculations, but that's about it.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4337 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #2 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	Why would you care? Arcane Evo spells that target will saves are all shitty spells: List of Arcane Evo spells that target will saves: Electric Loop Elemental Prod Artificer only Prismatic Ray Prismatic Spray Prismatic Strike Sonic Blast Static Shock You should only really care about their reflex and fort saves. Will saves have far more relevance for Enchanting based Casters.

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Booooga Dragon Raider Offline Drama? What's drama? Posts: 258 Location: In teh nose Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #3 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Why would you care? Arcane Evo spells that target will saves are all shitty spells: List of Arcane Evo spells that target will saves: Electric Loop Elemental Prod Artificer only Prismatic Ray Prismatic Spray Prismatic Strike Sonic Blast Static Shock You should only really care about their reflex and fort saves.� Will saves have far more relevance for Enchanting based Casters. Read above^ Prismatic spray does have 2 instadeath effects based on fort, but I fear mobs on EE have ridiculous fort saves.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4337 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #4 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:32pm	Print Post
	Booooga wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:09pm: sending mobs to another plane igonring DB sound quite fun. Can get it up to ~52 according to my calculations, but that's about it. By DB do You mean Spell pen? Cha = 16+5tome+7levels+2class enh+11item+3insight+1exceptional=44(rounding down) Spell Dc = 10 Heighted =9 Evo Focus item = 5 Evo Focus augment = 2 Evo Feats = 3 Evo enhancement = 1 Wiz life = 1 Magister = 3 Draconic = 2 Cha mod = 17 ____________ 53 Evo DC completly unbuffed and assuming a rather low Cha. Either way you're significantly disadvantaged vs a Magister who will be spamming Enchantment/Illusion spells to drop Will saves. I don't think you'll have a lot of success with this.

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Booooga Dragon Raider Offline Drama? What's drama? Posts: 258 Location: In teh nose Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #5 - Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 10:32pm: By DB do You mean Spell pen? Cha = 16+5tome+7levels+2class enh+11item+3insight+1exceptional=44(rounding down) Spell Dc = 10 Heighted =9 Evo Focus item = 5 Evo Focus augment = 2 Evo Feats = 3 Evo enhancement = 1 Wiz life = 1 Magister = 3 Draconic = 2 Cha mod = 17 ____________ 53 Evo DC� completly unbuffed and assuming a rather low Cha. Either way you're significantly disadvantaged vs a Magister who will be spamming� Enchantment/Illusion spells to drop Will saves. I don't think you'll have a lot of success with this. DB... meant DW=Deathward. Hmm... What I like about prismatic spray is that it works on pretty much everything except red-named. I'm looking at 46 cha unbuffed(48 if I'll get a +5 tome, but with my luck it's doubtful), which means +2 dc, +6 instead of +5 from thunderforged tier 2, so 55 dc unbuffed. So, say, magister/draconic +4 more to cha, then will have 57 dc... So it's pretty much no-go, eh? Any way to improve it?


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #6 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:51am	Print Post
	Charisma breakdown: 18 base 02 completionist 07 level ups 05 enchantments 02 capstone 05 tome 01 epic feat 06 epic destiny 11 gear 01 exceptional 03 insightful 01 litany 02 ship 02 yugo 66 CHA - 28 mod Evo DC breakdown: 28 19 4 feats 2 augment 3 twist 6 dwarwen stick 3 sorc PL 1 enchantment 3 chrono 3 piece = 69 standing Now I'm uncertain if Wyrmic Focus will stack in future updates. If it does you can put 2 more on a second stick. Though I have no idea why the fuck would you go evocation DC on a sorc, makes no fucking sense. If you want to make your evo DC useful, make a fucking druid and earthquake everything. edit: it's morning and I need more coffee
	« Last Edit: Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:22am by NOTdarth »

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Booooga Dragon Raider Offline Drama? What's drama? Posts: 258 Location: In teh nose Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #7 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:14am	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:51am: Charisma breakdown: 18 base 02 completionist 07 level ups 05 enchantments 02 capstone 05 tome 01 epic feat 06 epic destiny 11 gear 01 exceptional 03 insightful 01 litany 02 ship 02 yugo 66 CHA - 28 mod Evo DC breakdown: 28 19 4 feats 6 stick 2 augment 3 twist 6 dwarwen stick 3 sorc PL 1 enchantment 3 chrono 3 piece = 75 standing Now I'm uncertain if Wyrmic Focus will stack in future updates. If it does you can put 2 more on a second stick. Though I have no idea why the fuck would you go evocation DC on a sorc, makes no fucking sense. If you want to make your evo DC useful, make a fucking druid and earthquake everything. Don't have/won't have in nearby future: 1 Litany 2 completionist 2 Tome +3 instead of +5 =25 cha mod So, realistically: 25 19 4 6 stick... 2 3 6 <-- Dwarven stick??? The stack?! 1 Chrono piece? = 60(66?) That's prolly too low for EE anyways. I don't wanna play a fucking druid. My pipe dream here is one-shotting non-bosses with prismatic spray on a sorc. Earthquake won't one-shot shit. Thanks anyway.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #8 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:35am	Print Post
	3 piece abishai set gives you 3 profane bonus to evo. That's why I haven't listed the new Shadowscale because it's bonus is also profane so they won't stack. 60 will work untill Stormhorns somewhat relialbly. Then again, prismatic spray is 1 in 7 chance that you'll instakill a mob, and we all know how random chances in DDO are. Besides, if you don't have the gear, tomes or past lives why not just go Wizard? They're much better DC casters...


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Booooga Dragon Raider Offline Drama? What's drama? Posts: 258 Location: In teh nose Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #9 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:56am	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:35am: 3 piece abishai set gives you 3 profane bonus to evo. That's why I haven't listed the new Shadowscale because it's bonus is also profane so they won't stack. 60 will work untill Stormhorns somewhat relialbly. Then again, prismatic spray is 1 in 7 chance that you'll instakill a mob, and we all know how random chances in DDO are. Besides, if you don't have the gear, tomes or past lives why not just go Wizard? They're much better DC casters... It's 2/7 chance you'll instakill a mob if we're talking about fleshies. And 3/7 chance it'll produce something useful. Quote: Description: A shining blast of multicolored light blinds creatures with 8 Hit Die or less for 12 to 48 seconds, and does 1 of 7 harmful effects at random to one target, with a 12.5% of inflicting a second different effect from that 7. These 7 effects are detailed as follows: Red Ray: 4caster level fire damage, a successful Reflex save reduces the damage dealt by half Orange Ray: 5caster level acid damage, a successful Reflex save reduces the damage dealt by half Yellow Ray: 6caster level electrical damage, a successful Reflex save reduces the damage dealt by half Green Ray: Instant Death (Ignores Death immunity.), deals Constitution damage on a successful Fortitude save (Poison effect)* Blue Ray: Turns victim to stone, Fortitude save negates Indigo: Victim is stricken with Fear status, Will save negates Violet: Sends victim to another plane (Instant Death, ignores Death Immunity.), Will save negates. Wizards are slowpoke'd sorcs. After playing Sorc wizard's casting speed is just depressive... and dat cooldown. Guess I'll have to stick to magic toasters until I get all the gear/PL needed.


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paraplegic Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 17 Joined: Jan 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #10 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 1:42am	Print Post
	Booooga wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:56am: It's 2/7 chance you'll instakill a mob if we're talking about fleshies. And 3/7 chance it'll produce something useful. Wizards are slowpoke'd sorcs. After playing Sorc wizard's casting speed is just depressive... and dat cooldown. Guess I'll have to stick to magic toasters until I get all the gear/PL needed. sorc>wiz all the way


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #11 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 8:15am	Print Post
	paraplegic wrote on Mar 26^th, 2014 at 1:42am: sorc>wiz all the way Actually they're about the same power wise. It's just a different approach to the problem. If I had the motivation to put all heroic arcane lives on another toon again I'd prolly make a necro-enchanter wizzy.


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NOTSunnyshadow Out of Order Offline Kobold remember waterworks! Posts: 2193 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2014	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #12 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 8:22am	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on Mar 26^th, 2014 at 8:15am: Actually they're about the same power wise. It's just a different approach to the problem. If I had the motivation to put all heroic arcane lives on another toon again I'd prolly make a necro-enchanter wizzy. That's gonna be my completionist caster's "main" build! Sorcs can pew pew more - yet there's something oddly satisfying by being able to simply instakill almost everything. Add that to the versatility of being able to switch spells. Basically, it's about playstyle and preference. Although I loved my sorc life - I played it mostly as a wiz would (instakill everything, then pew pew what I couldn't).

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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #13 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 8:53am	Print Post
	Pew pew is for Shiraditards, I prefer nuking�
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #14 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	I love DBF and Energy Burst on my nuking sorc. It makes a lot of stuff very easy. I tend to go through 4400 SP way too quickly though.

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AngryKobold Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 190 Location: Riding a Minotaur Joined: Nov 1^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #15 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:02am	Print Post
	Booooga wrote on Mar 24^th, 2014 at 9:46pm: Hello, Vaulties. Would like to know DCs for endgame content. Mainly interested in how much WILL saves mobs have. At a different iteration of this game I tried the prismatic caster (pretty sure it was pre U14) I found I just was dumping mana way too fast, pretty sure that scenario hasn't changed. Of course there is almost infinite mana pots if your playing that way... so shrugs.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #16 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 11:47am	Print Post
	Best way is to build a enchanter sorc. Mass hold energy burst dragon breath ftw Dont trust me? Try it! Evoc feats are pointles on sorcs


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4337 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #17 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	Or I could ignore your shitty outdated advice, twist sound burst from ea, and enjoy a good evo dc.

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #18 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:38pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:31pm: Or I could ignore your shitty outdated advice, twist sound burst from ea, and enjoy a good evo dc. Yep and cry when you meet assasins in wgu, go ahead. Im just offering a idea on how to be useful in ee. Not how to cry and say sorcs are useless once you hit wall with sucky dcs. FYI i was a druid in ees, you need around 90 dc to get all stuff in game. So, go ahead and do it on a sorc. G luck with it. Or totaly ignor evoc go enchant and zerg ees like all of us smart players do. Bdw exalted sburst sla does not get benefit from any evoc feats/gear. And have a nice day
	« Last Edit: Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:39pm by Lelouch »

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #19 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:31pm: Or I could ignore your shitty outdated advice, twist sound burst from ea, and enjoy a good evo dc. But much lower Enchant might catch things that Godly ish Evo wouldn't be effective against. My cleric has 72 Soundburst and it's sometimes less effective than 64 Mass Hold on my Palemaster. But 6 sp and spammable is quite strong, even with lower DC and targetting fort saves.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #20 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:55pm: But much lower Enchant might catch things that Godly ish Evo wouldn't be effective against. My cleric has 72 Soundburst and it's sometimes less effective than 64 Mass Hold on my Palemaster. But 6 sp and spammable is quite strong, even with lower DC and targetting fort saves. Main point is, sburst sla doesnt benefit from evoc plifes/gear/augment but from character level and charisma modfier in case for sorcs. Which means, you go full enchant + twist s burst. Evocation? why? pointles. Nothing beats a helpless sense weaknes energy burst as far as sorc goes. Including we got crap load sp pots for free its also pointles to pick mental toughnes line /unles you rly want that crit %. Thats how i did my sorc fleshie life, and i had no issues whatsover /will go back to drow once i get epic complettimewasting giberish


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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #21 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	I don't disagree with you, was just pointing out that targetting will save is often much better than fort. But anyone that tried necro/evo after Shadowfell knows that.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #22 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	Cools, there are people here who play ee. You got prety impresive dc for a cleric, wondering how high you could get with druid for sburst. Counting in icy mantle and shaken debuffs from storm of veng. Could maybe be viable to use sburst/cold burst as druid. Something like 18 druid 2 monk drow or human or whatever
	« Last Edit: Apr 19^th, 2014 at 4:07pm by Lelouch »

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4337 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #23 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 4:15pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 2:38pm: Bdw exalted sburst sla does not get benefit from any evoc feats/gear. Wait what? well that fucking sucks.� Time to knock off 11dc's in my spreadsheet 11 fucking DC's, wtf. More I guess if draconic & magister evo twist doesn't work.
	« Last Edit: Apr 19^th, 2014 at 4:15pm by Munkenmo »
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Sorc Endgame evocation dc Reply #24 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	Nope, Evo twists don't work for it. Neither EA +3 DCs core. It's not a bad thing though. Still 67 + stun for 6 sp for tier 2 is super strong imo . NOTdarth wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:35am: 3 piece abishai set gives you 3 profane bonus to evo It gives 3 caster levels not spell DCs. So more magic missiles, elemental damage, more spell pen, shit like that. Not DCs.
	« Last Edit: Apr 19^th, 2014 at 6:59pm by Wipe »

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