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Reply #125 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:57am
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:46am:
You idiot. Waste time and sp on your shitty Cure spells and try to keep telling yourself that recon for 650+ isnt better. Your point is playskill which means little. I can give you a BF w/e you still suck. Doesnt mean it sint good just means youre bad. So again irrel in power level context.

Also keep telling yourself that while you continue to watch interracial midget porn as you sob about your life.. Alone.. on the floor. in a corner. with a ceiing fan that occasionally catches your semen and propels it back into your face to mix with your tears..


So... you're comparing a level 1 bard's cure light wounds spell with a level 28 BF. Nicely done.


No... my point in playskill is that you can be playing a BF, and *you* would still suck. You already said it earlier. We knew that you suck. And whine a lot.


And I noticed that you ignored the question about asking how you saw Stod's testicles. Were they blue, or did you fix that for him?
  

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Reply #126 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:01am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:57am:
So... you're comparing a level 1 bard's cure light wounds spell with a level 28 BF. Nicely done.


No... my point in playskill is that you can be playing a BF, and *you* would still suck. You already said it earlier. We knew that you suck. And whine a lot.


And I noticed that you ignored the question about asking how you saw Stod's testicles. Were they blue, or did you fix that for him?

Lv 1 bards cure spell<<bladeforged 11 ap is roughly lv 4. Youre still very dumb and bad at this game, sunny.

Keep that talk up like youre good at this game. Never in your life.

And i can tell Stod has shriveled nuts. Any man that destitute of life is of no use to anyone. Kinda like you
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #127 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:02am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:57am:
And I noticed that you ignored the question about asking how you saw Stod's testicles. Were they blue, or did you fix that for him?


Grin rofl! Hey, I thought I was the one who's into blue balls...
  
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Reply #128 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:07am
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:01am:
Lv 1 bards cure spell<<bladeforged 11 ap is roughly lv 4. Youre still very dumb and bad at this game, sunny.

Keep that talk up like youre good at this game. Never in your life.

And i can tell Stod has shriveled nuts. Any man that destitute of life is of no use to anyone. Kinda like you


You keep repeating that I'm bad at this game like you're trying to convince someone. Yourself, maybe?

Take it all into account. For your precious bladeforged to become a bard, you need TWO hearts of wood, and an alignment change. All to become a race with inherent healing capability in a class with inherent healing capability.


Also, I'm NOTSunnyshadow. Get with the program.
  

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Reply #129 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:08am
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:01am:
Keep that talk up like youre good at this game.



I'm not good at this game. I'm AWESOME at it.

My bio says so, and it's on the Internet, so it must be true.
  

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Reply #130 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:11am
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So much better than the MB, very constructive.

France, WW2 - Everyone is arguing schematics while the Germans roflstomp the entire country in 2 days.

Don't forget that BF have neg heal amp, so while those self recons (which are on timer, nobody has mentioned) are sweet those incoming heals that nobody throws aren't.

Buff healers so they have more (passive) healing, solution found. Nobody wants to play a healbot - they receive huge criticism if they do, so change how healers work so they are more fun.

More fun, less suck. Anything that takes away from solo-ability and self healing is on the suck side and potentially destroys the game for a great number of the "power gamers" who support it via payments. Clearly, if they have bought BF....

I feel like Turbine should weight opinion via client purchases. I am sure a great number of the whiners are F2P and never bought anything in their DDO lives.
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Reply #131 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:11am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:07am:
You keep repeating that I'm bad at this game like you're trying to convince someone. Yourself, maybe?

Take it all into account. For your precious bladeforged to become a bard, you need TWO hearts of wood, and an alignment change. All to become a race with inherent healing capability in a class with inherent healing capability.
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That youre not good at this game was your resorting to cover up how bad you really are, but we got through that together now, YW.

Bard Inherent healing is limited dikface. You have to have 18 or 20 bard levels, anything less is a sad little cure compared to recon at 650+. Any bard that doesnt have the heal capstone is better as a BF.
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #132 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:15am
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:11am:
Bard Inherent healing is limited dikface. You have to have 18 or 20 bard levels, anything less is a sad little cure compared to recon at 650+. Any bard that doesnt have the heal capstone is better as a BF.


Yup. Bard self healing is awful.. especially if multiclassed. My bard sucked ass at self healing (compared to other self healing classes) til lvl 20 and cocoon.
  
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Re: Prepare for the balance nerf
Reply #133 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:19am
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�ed wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:11am:
I feel like Turbine should weight opinion via client purchases. I am sure a great number of the whiners are F2P and never bought anything in their DDO lives.


Well said ....... not to mention that they are toying with massive changes from input from such a small pool is stupid.
  
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Reply #134 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:21am
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:11am:
That youre not good at this game was your resorting to cover up how bad you really are, but we got through that together now, YW.

Bard Inherent healing is limited dikface. You have to have 18 or 20 bard levels, anything less is a sad little cure compared to recon at 650+. Any bard that doesnt have the heal capstone is better as a BF.


And now you're ignoring the bit about how to become a bard BF you have to spend at least two hearts of wood and an alignment change.

It seems to me that your definition of a "good toon" is anything that can heal itself for at least 650 hp. My scrolls hit me for that much, does that count? LoH does a bit more, too. I know, you're going to go off about how that would require an equipment change - but if macroed, the difference is barely noticeable. In fact, with the lag we have, it's unnoticeable.

Go ahead, make a BF barbarian. I'd be happy to see a self-healing barbarian. Then tell me if it's as OP as you think it'd be.

And - you don't know me in-game. I don't know who you are in-game. Your references to my sucky playskills are moot. Unless you really are Stoddard, in which case I understand why you abhor me.
  

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Reply #135 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:30am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:21am:
And now you're ignoring the bit about how to become a bard BF you have to spend at least two hearts of wood and an alignment change. Has nothing to do with making it more powerful. Your point failed

It seems to me that your definition of a "good toon" is anything that can heal itself for at least 650 hp. My scrolls hit me for that much, does that count? LoH does a bit more, too. I know, you're going to go off about how that would require an equipment change - but if macroed, the difference is barely noticeable. In fact, with the lag we have, it's unnoticeable. Good toon? no, good ability on any toon? yes. and lol@ LoH and Scrolls kill yourself now

Go ahead, make a BF barbarian. I'd be happy to see a self-healing barbarian. Then tell me if it's as OP as you think it'd be. Miles better than raging into "heal me i do more dps than you" axer screams.

And - you don't know me in-game. I don't know who you are in-game. Your references to my sucky playskills are moot. Unless you really are Stoddard, in which case I understand why you abhor me. I never allow not knowing someone in game to stop me from being honest

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Reply #136 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:56am
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STILL doesn't make bards and barbarians OP by becoming BF.

What's your beef against LOH and scrolls? Can't use them yourself?

Yeah - I dislike players with the same gameplay style as Shade. I was under the impression that you were one of them.

So - you don't know who I am, or how I play, yet you automatically assume that I suck at the game. Well-played.

In conclusion, no, BF are not overpowered. They shouldn't get a nerf just because other races/classes can't self heal as well as they can.

I maintain that instead of nerfing the bladeforged, turbine should just fix the bugs in their game. No amount of whining will change that.
  

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Reply #137 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:03am
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So CSW+Cocoon or scrollage + Cocoon is good enough for any melee ranger or pally. And yes it is.
Yet Cure CRIT+Masteried scrolls (+Cocoon) on a Bard with bard devo things is not .
Lol, that's why shitty players would cry about Reconstruct.
Holy crap, why don't you go discusss "balance" on the shithole DDO forums.
  
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Reply #138 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:06am
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Wipe wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:03am:
So CSW+Cocoon or scrollage + Cocoon is good enough for any melee ranger or pally. And yes it is.
Yet Cure CRIT+Masteried scrolls (+Cocoon) on a Bard with bard devo things is not .
Lol, that's why shitty players would cry about Reconstruct.
Holy crap, why don't you go discusss "balance" on the shithole DDO forums.


Exactly!

Game balance is not achieved by making sure everyone needs a nannybot to hjeal their gimp asses. Find the holes, and patch them - not find the good parts of the weaving and wreck it apart.
  

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Reply #139 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:10am
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Iconics are paid for by everyone. They should be better than other races so give PDK and Shadar Heal SLA and move onto sorting out the class problems. I really don't think we care if noone plays a midget or dwarf again, and if we did, they should make an Iconic Battle Ranger (with Heal SLA) and an Iconic Ha.....well leave the halflings out of it please.
  
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Reply #140 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:16am
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Rasczak wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
Iconics are paid for by everyone. They should be better than other races so give PDK and Shadar Heal SLA and move onto sorting out the class problems. I really don't think we care if noone plays a midget or dwarf again, and if we did, they should make an Iconic Battle Ranger (with Heal SLA) and an Iconic Ha.....well leave the halflings out of it please.



Iconic Halflings? You mean Kender?!!!
  

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Reply #141 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:20am
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�ed wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:20am:
ICONIC GNOMES!



Now we're talkin!
  

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Reply #143 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:29am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:56am:
STILL doesn't make bards and barbarians OP by becoming BF.

What's your beef against LOH and scrolls? Can't use them yourself?
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Never said OP just more powerful.

LoH needs a lot of pally levels+high charisma mod+hamp gear and enhancments to hit 650. Can't be spammed like recon sla.

Scrolls need scroll mastery from a class, and lot of heal amp to hit 650. Gear swap, run out of combat, make sure an arrow didnt hit you once, cooldown is longer than 6 seconds.

Recon SLA hits 650 every 6 seconds in a racial tree for low investment of 11 ap on any class. Nothing you have brought up compares.

Wipe wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:03am:
Yet Cure CRIT+Masteried scrolls (+Cocoon) on a Bard with bard devo things is  Still not even half as good as the recon sla

You seemed to not have finished your thought.

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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:29am:
Never said OP just more powerful.

LoH needs a lot of pally levels+high charisma mod+hamp gear and enhancments to hit 650. Can't be spammed like recon sla.

Scrolls need scroll mastery from a class, and lot of heal amp to hit 650. Gear swap, run out of combat, make sure an arrow didnt hit you once, cooldown is longer than 6 seconds.

Recon SLA hits 650 every 6 seconds in a racial tree for low investment of 11 ap on any class. Nothing you have brought up compares.

You seemed to not have finished your thought.



So - your solution to that is to nerf BF's recon?

Make its recon amount a flat 100hp. Will that make you happy?
  

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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:38am:
So - your solution to that is to nerf BF's recon?

Make its recon amount a flat 100hp. Will that make you happy?

IDC, but there is this pretense like healing for 650+ for minimal investments on a sla for 25sp coupled with such a ridic powerful racial tree and innate abilities, isn't more powerful than every other race. I'm not a game dev, but I know when something is better than everything else.

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You could combine 3 races and still not come close.
  

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Reply #146 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 10:18am
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grimorde wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:42am:
This. All the great players I know were great before BF came along.

And all the crap players are still crap even when playing BF with recon  Wink


I have a Bladeforged melee.  I can verify the accuracy of this statement 100%.  Smiley
  
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Reply #147 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:00am
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Why does everyone seem to think that they'll nerf ranged combat?


Because they said they might not nerf it of course.... Read about all the whining melee and rangers complaining about monkchers in the shitty forums. You'll get your answer there.
  

   
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Rasczak wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
Iconics are paid for by everyone. They should be better than other races so give PDK and Shadar Heal SLA and move onto sorting out the class problems. I really don't think we care if noone plays a midget or dwarf again, and if we did, they should make an Iconic Battle Ranger (with Heal SLA) and an Iconic Ha.....well leave the halflings out of it please.


I don't know about giving everyone a heal SLA. I would prefer a dwarven battle rager as opposed to a battle ranger.

Giving something to Shadar Kai to make them marginally worthwhile would be a vast improvement. Even a heal SLA would just barely make them playable.

Morninglord and PDK already have things going for them.... maybe not as generically powerful as a self heal SLA but at least useful and to some builds better than a self heal.
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Reply #149 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:44am
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Why would anyone advocate to nerf bladeforge recon. I see some of the whiners and flavor fanbois white knighting on the main forum to kill bladeforge....

I see no reason for it to be nerfed, but of course turdbine will bait and switch on us again to satisfy the butt-hurt complainers.
  
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