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May 28th, 2014 at 5:09pm
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this is fully self buffed..



1 wizzy and 1 bard past lives
12 ETR`s



70 necro/62 web/63 pk/67 dance
50 umd/83 search/95 spellcraft are the highlights.....

spell pen is only 38-39



my thoughts were to knock out 2 wizzy and and a sorc past life.
i am using the past life of the bard for 1 DC to enchantment. Swap that out for the sorc past life and get.. say..??? 300 more sp


or


just knock out 2 wizzy past lives and replace the bard past life feat for greater spell pen?

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+4 spell pen and 300 sp per rest
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+8 spell pen




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Reply #1 - May 28th, 2014 at 5:23pm
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actually, i do not need direction... i just want to hear all WTf/NOOB/ban him comments that are soo typical...



  

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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2014 at 6:27pm
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Curious about your INT breakdown. This is what I'm thinking:

20 base
  7 level ups
  5 tome
  6 enhancements (2 pale, 2 arch, 2 sun elf)
  2 capstone
  2 lich
11 item
  3 insightful
  1 exceptional
  1 litany
  6 destiny
  2 guild
  2 yugo
  2 lasting ability
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70

What am I missing?

  3 twists?
  3 epic feats?
  2 alchemical?
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78
  
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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2014 at 6:41pm
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Enhancements:
improved shrouding +2int

Op, if you're worried about spell pen, I'd do fvs lives before sorc lives.
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2014 at 6:43pm
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Alchemical would mean losing 1DC from Thunderforged two hander.
Echoes of the ancestors and 1 int twist is practical imo.
Since he has ecompl probably 1 more int twist or even 6 tome.
Don't think anyone has 3 from epic feats.

Anyway 78 is fucking cool ! Mine can get to 72 with yugo and ship.
  
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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2014 at 7:11pm
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Wipe wrote on May 28th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Alchemical would mean losing 1DC from Thunderforged two hander.


Once epic completionist is obtained, it's probably feasible to consider using COV alchemical potions.

Do all of the Spell pen enhancements stack? i'm trying to work out if eldrtich int is realistic.


Edit*  I'd probably not bother with spell pen, I'd do 3 cleric lives, and if ahead of time I know i'm going to run spell pen content, swap to a conjuration archmage for webby goodness.
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Reply #6 - May 28th, 2014 at 7:20pm
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I meant alchemical as Cannith raids one hander.
I think those cov pots are insight +2.

Dunno about spell pen, mine is drow.
Even then +1 enchant and Feywild tap ( well it's buggy but still ) are too good to pass.
  
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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2014 at 7:55pm
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I am only at 68 with ship/yugo. Only have +3 tome, +10 item Sad Plus I am currently only twisting in 1 int, and took 0 INT feats. I am not max DC but I'm ok with that.
  
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Reply #8 - May 28th, 2014 at 8:03pm
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Int: 72 -
20 base
+5 tome
+7 level ups
+8 enhancements
+ 11 item
+3 Insight
+1 exceptional
+1 litany
+ 6 destinies
+4 lich
+3 feat
+3 twist
then

+2 ship
+2 yugo
+ 2 supreme ability pots from card crunching. (or DDO store pots)
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Reply #9 - May 28th, 2014 at 8:05pm
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as for the spell pen.. that is the only lacking part of this toon i think. EE drow are the only real issue
  

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Reply #10 - May 28th, 2014 at 8:07pm
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Wipe wrote on May 28th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Alchemical would mean losing 1DC from Thunderforged two hander.
Echoes of the ancestors and 1 int twist is practical imo.
Since he has ecompl probably 1 more int twist or even 6 tome.
Don't think anyone has 3 from epic feats.

Anyway 78 is fucking cool ! Mine can get to 72 with yugo and ship.



i am still using a +5 nether orb.. i can get one more necro DC once i  complete my thunderforged
  

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Reply #11 - May 28th, 2014 at 8:09pm
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Munkenmo wrote on May 28th, 2014 at 6:41pm:
Enhancements:
improved shrouding +2int

Op, if you're worried about spell pen, I'd do fvs lives before sorc lives.

agreed. i would. i was doing the sorc life just for the active past life feat (sp)
  

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Reply #12 - May 28th, 2014 at 8:09pm
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you spent 3 feats on epic int?

Can you lay out your total feat list?

I'm thinking you'd be better off almost all round by going :

21 : int
24 : esf necro
27 : x mental toughness

more sp, same necro dc, and the lack of 1spell power is more than made up by gaining +1% crit chance

also, I don't place a lot of weight in the sorc pastlife, sure it grants sp, but unlike the mental toughness line, it doesn't give the extra 1% crit chance.
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Reply #13 - May 28th, 2014 at 8:15pm
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Munkenmo wrote on May 28th, 2014 at 8:09pm:
you spent 3 feats on epic int?

Can you lay out your total feat list?

I'm thinking you'd be better off almost all round by going :

21 : int
24 : esf necro
27 : x mental toughness

more sp, same necro dc, and the lack of 1spell power is more than made up by gaining +1% crit chance

also, I don't place a lot of weight in the sorc pastlife, sure it grants sp, but unlike the mental toughness line, it doesn't give the extra 1% crit chance.



before the 12 etr`s and the 4th twist i was running

21-int
24-int
27-ESF necro

after the 12etr`s,

21-int
24-int
27-int
and the 4th twist was int to make me even again

i am a sun elf and the fey tap give me almost 1000sp (192 per tap) x5


i could also just do ESP necro for the 27 feat and do the SP buff from the divine destiny. them my sp would fo to just under 3400


i am running 9% spell crit (from ETR) and the 10% from the nether orb right now..  i will be going back and do the 10% cooldown for spells instead. i am not too worried about spell crits. things are usually dead or dancing as i run by.
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Reply #14 - May 28th, 2014 at 8:20pm
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feats

wizard
1  -maximize spell
5  -SF necro
10-SF enchant
15-Heighten spell
20-quicken spell

Base
1  -insightful refelxes
3  -PL wizard
6  -PL bard
9  -GSF necro
12-GSF enchant
15-spell pen
18-empower spell


21 int
24 int
27 int

Destiny
26 SP negative
28 hellball
  

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Reply #15 - May 29th, 2014 at 8:24am
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Thx for tips, I got stucked at 70 int.
  
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Reply #16 - May 30th, 2014 at 12:36am
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Diaf gimp... Jk way to go buddy. You know my thoughts sir get your completionist and shoot for 80 int.
  

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Reply #17 - May 30th, 2014 at 1:27am
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that_arrow_guy wrote on May 28th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
i am still using a +5 nether orb.. i can get one more necro DC once i  complete my thunderforged

Should make staff if you don't have alchemical one hander.
For 2 more DCs ( 6 Necro + 1 on TF two hander ).
  
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If you don't have ruin you are piking.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 4:53am:
If you don't have ruin you are piking.



that is something i might look into
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 4:53am:
If you don't have ruin you are piking.


I hear this a lot, but I don't understand why.  Care to explain?

Ruin's base damage is 500 for 75 SP.  It takes Maximize and Empower, increasing its cost to 115 SP.

Empower: 75
Maximize: 150
Spellcraft: 65
Impulse: 120 (Twilight)
Implement: 21 (Twilight)
Archmage Tree: 25
Pale Master Tree: 30
Total: 486

That looks pretty reasonable for a Pale Master.  It's a fair estimate.  That puts Ruin at 2430 damage for 115 SP.

At 3400 SP, that's 29 casts for 70,000 points of untyped damage which it takes over seven minutes to deliver.  Why is this good?  I think it looks like shit.



  

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Reply #21 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 7:05pm
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I tried Ruin on my Sorc once.
  

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Reply #22 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 8:50pm
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Let's compare Ruin with Niac's Biting Cold or Eladar's Electric Surge.  I'll use the same 486 Spellpower.  Again, that's a fair estimate, though it's not the absolute max.

A Maximized and Empowered Niac's or Eladar's costs 65 SP.  Your first two casts cost 20.  You only Maximize/Empower on the third and following casts.  Building the triple stack costs 20 + 20 + 65, or 105 SP.  That's less than a single cast of Maximized/Empowered Ruin.

Let's go with six ticks per cast (it's actually seven, but nobody is perfect).  Each tick has a base damage of around 70.  At our 486 Spellpower, that's 340 damage per tick (not counting crits).  Over six ticks, that's 2041 damage delivered every 16 seconds.  And this can be maintained for 65 SP versus Ruin's 115 SP.  This is rough, but very roughly, the DPS output of the two main DOTs, once triple-stacked, is about the same as the DPS output of Ruin, and it comes at a fraction of the cost.  If you can stack both DOTs, you double the DPS output of Ruin at around the same cost.

Now Ruin is untyped damage.  So if mobs are immune or resistant to both Electric and Cold, then Ruin wins.  Is this a current problem?

You can also use Ruin along with Niac's and Eladar's.  But Ruin is VERY spell point intensive, and so I can't think of many situations in which a Pale Master would want to do that.
  

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Reply #23 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 10:19pm
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IMARANGER wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 7:01pm:
At 3400 SP, that's 29 casts for 70,000 points of untyped damage which it takes over seven minutes to deliver.  Why is this good?  I think it looks like shit.


Your understanding & assesment of ruin is the same as mine.

This is Turbine though: If it's actually decent, it's not working as intended.
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 10:35pm
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Ruin is okay for finishing off phylactery or correcting chaos in Fire Peaks ( when trakonz are too close, people are too fucking stupid which trakon aggro they have and there is no monkcher ).
Not sure that's worth more than epic spellpower or whatnot.
  
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