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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #25 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:15am	Print Post
	Cetus clearly has an agenda.� nice cherry picked biased-ass videos btw.� 2 videos.� that totally proves he's right! worse than Shade.
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	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #26 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:17am	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:15am: Cetus clearly has an agenda.� nice cherry picked biased-ass videos btw.� 2 videos.� that totally proves he's right! worse than Shade. 2 videos? He clearly has 3. After all, he wants all of the fighting styles to be balanced in terms of DPS, not just SWF vs THF. I seem to have misplaced the link to his TWF video, but it's there!
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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #27 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:19am	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:15am: Cetus clearly has an agenda.� nice cherry picked biased-ass videos btw.� 2 videos.� that totally proves he's right! worse than Shade. Oh, I've got more. More specifically - harpie named beatdown in EE lines, Two so far for SWF - 1:08 beatdown & 1:17 beatdown One so far for THF - 1:28 beatdown They'll be up soon. Where's yours?


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #28 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:20am	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:17am: 2 videos? He clearly has 3. After all, he wants all of the fighting styles to be balanced in terms of DPS, not just SWF vs THF. I seem to have misplaced the link to his TWF video, but it's there! you're right. and of course by 'balanced' he means THF>SWF and TWF.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #29 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:23am	Print Post
	Quote: Oh, I've got more. More specifically - harpie named beatdown in EE lines, Two so far for SWF - 1:08 beatdown & 1:17 beatdown One so far for THF - 1:28 beatdown They'll be up soon. Where's yours? Unless your name is Chai, the burden of proof is on the claimant asshole. posting two - sorry THREE - videos and calling it a day is lazier than the 'facts' presented by Young Earthers.
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	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #30 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:24am	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:17am: 2 videos? He clearly has 3. After all, he wants all of the fighting styles to be balanced in terms of DPS, not just SWF vs THF. I seem to have misplaced the link to his TWF video, but it's there! I just happen to play a THF toon - so I specifically started a THF vs SWF thread. Doesn't mean I don't want TWF balanced, I just don't play one - so I didn't have any footage of my own to support anything I would have written there. You should try this sometime. If you want to see how TWF compares to THF, you can look at the countless videos posted by other posters in the past.� You keep changing the topic to TWF as a way to avoid showing support for why SWF is NOT worthy of a nerf. Go.


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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #31 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:25am	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:23am: Unless your name is Chai, the burden of proof is on the claimant asshole. posting two - sorry THREE - videos and calling it a day is lazier than the 'facts' presented by Young Earthers. You're right, which is why I used the word "suggestive". I'd love to see more footage from you guys, I don't have the time to sit here and make dozens of videos. I did what I could and posted my findings.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #32 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:27am	Print Post
	Quote: ZOMG SWF HAZ 9 SECONDS FASTER?!! CMON GAIZ I WANT BALANCE!!11!one

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #33 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:33am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:27am: ZOMG SWF HAZ 9 SECONDS FASTER?!! CMON GAIZ I WANT BALANCE!!11!one [img] Averaging a 15.5 second difference with a 4.5 variance on one of the datasets. Fucking retard. If you take the slowest SWF time, there's still an 11 second difference. Quote: You keep changing the topic to TWF as a way to avoid showing support for why SWF is NOT worthy of a nerf. Now I have an agenda to support a fighting style that I don't use, apparently. Hypocrite.
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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #34 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:47am	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:33am: Now I have an agenda to support a fighting style that I don't use, apparently. Hypocrite. I don't know. I wasn't saying that you have an agenda as much as I was saying that my disinterest in the TWF style doesn't mean that I don't wish for it to be balanced. This is why I intentionally started a thread that specifically dealt with THF vs SWF, and it was titled demonstration of SWF DPS. Nothing about it is or was conclusive or all-encompassing.


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keyfaker banned by Strake Waterworks Kobold Offline yawn Posts: 145 Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #35 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:56am	Print Post
	yawn... bards sux forever


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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #36 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:06am	Print Post
	Quote: I don't know. I wasn't saying that you have an agenda as much as I was saying that my disinterest in the TWF style doesn't mean that I don't wish for it to be balanced. This is why I intentionally started a thread that specifically dealt with THF vs SWF, and it was titled demonstration of SWF DPS. Nothing about it is or was conclusive or all-encompassing. So, given that you don't give a fuck about TWF, it should be safe to say that you're lobbying for either a buff to THF or a nerf to SWF. Your personal preference is to play THF and you want to defend that fighting style. Otherwise, you would have just converted to SWF and duped ingredients to make another Thunderforged weapon and an orb. You have bias; everyone has bias on what they enjoy. Stop trying to appear objective and you will seem more credible.
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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #37 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:12am	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:06am: So, given that you don't give a fuck about TWF, it should be safe to say that you're lobbying for either a buff to THF or a nerf to SWF. Your personal preference is to play THF and you want to defend that fighting style. I'm with you up until this point Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:06am: You have bias; everyone has bias on what they enjoy. Stop trying to appear objective and you will seem more credible. Bias? let's see: noun 1. prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. Where am I being unfair here? I'm showing footage of both styles with IDENTICAL builds.
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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #38 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:14am	Print Post
	Alright fellas - more data as promised: SWF Harpie takedown 1:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2s3yYYjsjM SWF Harpie takedown 1:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1IoVI9a_4o THF Harpie Takedown: 1:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4g7nKqNBl4 As pointed out earlier, this specific set shows an average difference of 15.5 seconds, varaince 4.5 seconds. 15.5 seconds faster average is like 17.6%. Obviusly the sample size is nowhere near large enough, but this is what I've got.
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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #39 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:17am	Print Post
	Quote: I'm with you up until this point Bias? let's see: noun 1. prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. Where am I being unfair here? I'm showing footage of both styles with IDENTICAL builds. It was the devs' intention that SWF be stronger than THF when fighting a single enemy. You are fighting a single enemy and claiming that SWF is unbalanced because it is more powerful in that situation. That's not to even mention that you're using a dwarven axe as the SWF weapon, but a falcion as the THF weapon. That would have been an obvious variable to eliminate.
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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #40 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:41am	Print Post
	Quote: Oh, I've got more. More specifically - harpie named beatdown in EE lines, Two so far for SWF - 1:08 beatdown & 1:17 beatdown One so far for THF - 1:28 beatdown They'll be up soon. Where's yours? So what is wrong with that? Show me video of swf beating thf in ee da.
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itsmineisawitfirst Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 216 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #41 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:41am	Print Post
	This is why we can't have nice things. Seriously though, why is having a new flavour of the month a bad thing? It is about time we had some alternatives. Without it the game becomes stale.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #42 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:31am	Print Post
	And ... The Point ? SWF was buffed that way so that it could compete with TWF and THF in DPS. That's one of the thing that got an overall agreement in the PC when we started looking at the swashbuckler : It had to provide the same level of DPS as THF or TWF if it was going to be a viable option, otherwise it was going to be wasted dev time. So stop getting your panty in a twist : it's not going to be nerfed and the rest is not going to be buffed.

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Coasterhops Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 77 Location: West Coast, New Zealand Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #43 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:15am	Print Post
	Yeah I think the real problem is that the testing stated as proof by Cetus takes into account his playstyle, gear, PLs and ability and then plugs them into a certain situation. I fully believe that different results could be reached by different players, playing under different scenarios, with different builds that revolve around different methods of crowd control... Is TWF relevant in that harpy beat down single target scenario???? Just a thought. Another thought is I don't see Cetus calling out that Centred Kensai Bladeforged Pali splashes are OP and that A. Either other builds built for DPS be buffed to also have the survivability and dps, or B. To nerf his build. I think it's all a matter of perspective and that THF can be competitive with SWF if the scenario allows it.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #44 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:21am	Print Post
	Quote: Alright fellas - more data as promised: Markedly skewed and veering on the edge of attempting to mislead viewers into observational bias. A better attempt at being veracious would have a red named that doesn't move. Or hit back. Time wasted in video #1 for swf on buffs and boosts was around 10-12 seconds, roughly the same time as for video #2 of swf. However, movement was more off in the 2nd video. Double the movement time from video #1. or around Or around 24 seconds of movement to target. Also healing yourself was not present in video #1 but you did so in video #2. I havent compared your boost delay times, and movement penalties with thf video #3. it is a waste of time to not test on a stationary non lethal target. There will be too many variables. Your need to heal and stop, your need to move to target, and targets moving back mid swing.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #45 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:57am	Print Post
	Coasterhops wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:15am: Another thought is I don't see Cetus calling out that Centred Kensai Bladeforged Pali splashes are OP and that A. Either other builds built for DPS be buffed to also have the survivability and dps, or B. To nerf his build. When the enhancement pass came around, he wanted them to buff capstones and pure classes. Same scenario, but substitute SWF for centered kensai and THF for pure fighter.


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #46 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:23am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:11pm: SWF won't be nerfed... Don't worry... It was hard enough to make it a viable option for melee... It will definitely not be nerfed. Now if a whiny bitch can't cope with the fact that SWF is on par with TWF or THF then : yawn The problem is that tthey arent equivalent. First off twf on non monks/rogues is just pure garbage....afaict if you move you lose off hand procs. Thf vs swf? Swf gets more stat damage 2 rather than 1.5 stat, only advantage thf has is double power attack damage (lol) and glancing blows. Swf easily beats both those boosts....30% faster attack speed and double stat damage is amazibg. I dont want them to nerf swf cause if they do it will never be good again because turbine, but they do need to change thf and twf to at least make them equivalent. Also we need epic shield mastery feat

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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #47 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:08am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:21am: Markedly skewed and veering on the edge of attempting to mislead viewers into observational bias. A better attempt at being veracious would have a red named that doesn't move. Or hit back. Time wasted in video #1 for swf on buffs and boosts was around 10-12 seconds, roughly the same time as for video #2 of swf. However, movement was more off in the 2nd video. Double the movement time from video #1. or around Or around 24 seconds of movement to target. Also healing yourself was not present in video #1 but you did so in video #2. I havent compared your boost delay times, and movement penalties with thf video #3. it is a waste of time to not test on a stationary non lethal target. There will be too many variables. Your need to heal and stop, your need to move to target, and targets moving back mid swing.� I agree. All of these micro-variables can be picked at ad nauseum in any video, except my movement issues in the 1:17 video actually make more of a case for SWF power. If you think you can do better, find me a stationary target that doesn't move, doesn't hit back, is easily accessible and that has a large enough hit-point pool for a reasonable estimate. If you can come up with one, then props - that would be cool for us to use from this point forward. But you haven't, so instead of doing a video of your own, you still have no substance to go off of other than shitty grammar. As a result, I'll continue doing what I'm doing on the main boards and we'll see if the developers choose to interpret it.


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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #48 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:12am	Print Post
	Coasterhops wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:15am: Yeah I think the real problem is that the testing stated as proof by Cetus takes into account his playstyle, gear, PLs and ability and then plugs them into a certain situation. . Stated as PROOF? Well whaddya know, another guy pulling shit outta thin air. lol


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Bones Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 598 Joined: Feb 7^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #49 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:26am	Print Post
	EE Sobrien from 'The Claw of Vulkoor' doesn't really move and is rather harmless, but his hit-point pool isn't too big... I think it's 65k? EE Darobard from 'Army of Shadow' won't move at all, but he does hit back. His hit-point pool is more within reason for testing. I believe it's around 125k. Edited: Bah, both are "Orange" Named
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