Vault - Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers

Vault › General › DDO-Specific Discussion › Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers

(Moderator: Strakeln)

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 ... 19

Very Hot Topic (More than 75 Replies)

Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers (Read 97371 times)

Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #75 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:12pm	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:01pm: Using that as a test case to assert that something is unbalanced when it is supposed to perform better in that situation is illogical. Do you know by how much its supposed to perform better? In that small little bit of footage I provided, we have a 15.5 seconds average, or like 17.6%. You think trying to quantify this is illogical?
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:13pm by »

	IP Logged

Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #76 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 12:59pm: Lol, that was hilarious


	IP Logged

Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #77 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Quote: Do you know by how much its supposed to perform better? In that small little bit of footage I provided, we have a 15.5 seconds average, or like 17.6%. You think trying to quantify this is illogical? I would have expected ~20% in your test cases. 145% regular attack speed for THF, plus whatever BaB adds. 175% regular attack speed for SWF, plus whatever BaB adds. Excluding BaB and the extra 50% stat to damage should give 20%. The only variance is how much the BaB attack speed compares to the extra 50% stat to damage, which is apparently sided towards the BaB attack speed. Trying to quantify it with 3 test cases with a large variance is illogical.
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:30pm by Dickbutt »

	IP Logged

Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #78 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	Quote: we have a 15.5 seconds average, or like 17.6% might be closer to half that % after factoring in time lost to movement, boosting, healing. Even at 17.5% more dps on a single target is what the feats are meant to do.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
	IP Logged

Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #79 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	These videos are more an argument for nerfing robots than any of the fighting stuff.� zzzzzzzz

	Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:52pm: I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake. Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 8:32am: Laugh it up, funny man.
	IP Logged

eighnuss Epic Poster Offline ด้้้้้ ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ ͩͩͩͩͩͩ Posts: 3532 Location: ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็ ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ Joined: Jan 30^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #80 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	I have come to envoke godwin's law. Quote: Lol, look at the little kid crying. I'm not butthurt at all. I'd simply prefer for SWF to be a niche fighting style for say, dex based melees or swashbuckling types. Can you handle this opinion wittle cwyyy baby? Hitler simply preferred his country be devoid of jews and gypsies. Therefore he set out to achieve his goals using whatever means available to him. Much like you, who also have an opinion and are making it your goal to force it upon everyone else in ebberon and beyond to the best of your ability. Despite claims of desiring balance, you've made it clear that you desire THF to be the best single target dps. And those who oppose you, those who realize that this is bad for the game, are met with subterfuge and semantics.

	ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩDISCLAIMER: This post is provided �as is� for informational purposes only. The Department of Vault Security (DVS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within. DVS does not endorse any commercial product or service referenced in this post or otherwise.
	IP Logged

Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #81 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:29pm: might be closer to half that % after factoring in time lost� to movement, boosting, healing. Both times containing an equal amount of lost time would make the ratio favor the quicker time. i.e. The percentage would be higher. If proportion of total time to lost time is the same, then the ratio would be the same.


	IP Logged

Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #82 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	eighnuss wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:34pm: I have come to envoke godwin's law. Hitler simply preferred his country be devoid of jews and gypsies. Therefore he set out to achieve his goals using whatever means available to him. Much like you, who also have an opinion and are making it your goal to force it upon everyone else in ebberon and beyond to the best of your ability. Despite claims of desiring balance, you've made it clear that you desire THF to be the best single target dps. And those who oppose you, those who realize that this is bad for the game, are met with subterfuge and semantics. You are very perceptive


	IP Logged

Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #83 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:47pm: Both times containing an equal amount of lost time would make the ratio favor the quicker time. i.e. The percentage would be higher. If proportion of total time to lost time is the same, then the ratio would be the same. If in his thf attempt. If he didnt have to move over 30 seconds worth of time not spent dpsing compared to the 12 seconds in his fastest video. If his boosting time wasnt doubled. If he was in wind stance like he was in his fastest video and not earth stance instead. If his weapons had the same proc effects. The 17.5% difference is exaggerated and should be lower.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
	IP Logged

Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #84 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:00pm	Print Post
	Quote: Do you know by how much its supposed to perform better? In that small little bit of footage I provided, we have a 15.5 seconds average, or like 17.6%. You think trying to quantify this is illogical? Give me ee da on thf and ee da on swf. Dont do it on bullshit things like 1 target at which swf is supposed to be the best.


	IP Logged

Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #85 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:00pm: Give me ee da on thf and ee da on swf. Dont do it on bullshit things like 1 target at which swf is supposed to be the best. I already did THF EEDA entries. Sure, I can do SWF once lamannia opens up again. I think I have an EDA recorded on a swashbuckler from last lama session, different build though. If you want it, I can post it.


	IP Logged

itsmineisawitfirst Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 216 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #86 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	Credit to Cetus for being reasonable despite some of the silly replies in this thread. Guys, if you think his testing isn't valid, then do your own testing and find out for yourself.


	IP Logged

barcelot Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #87 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	Metrics? we don't need no stinking metrics! Anyway, fine I'm off to test and I am amazed how fast this thread grew.


	IP Logged

Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #88 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:57pm: If in his thf attempt.� If he didnt have to move over 30 seconds worth of time not spent dpsing compared to the 12 seconds in his fastest video. If his boosting time wasnt doubled. If he was in wind stance like he was in his fastest video and not earth stance instead. If his weapons had the same proc effects. The 17.5% difference is exaggerated and should be lower. You should total up all the downtime and remove that from the totals. Get a new ratio, and use that. Obviously excluding the one that uses wind stance. I only opened the videos to check for weapon type, because I assumed he would have missed that difference. I didn't even notice that his faster time was in a different stance. One could almost call that an unfair comparison. Nor did I watch the entire video to check for obvious delays. That should have been the thing you would have called him out on first, if you wanted to make an actual argument instead of just trolling - which is fun, I'll admit.
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:21pm by Dickbutt »

	IP Logged

Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #89 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:49pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:36am: Do I have to link your tirade across 16+ pages thread again? Really? if you do, don't forget to link to the post where he ragequit DDO for 15 seconds.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
	IP Logged

Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #90 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 12:21pm: If you're looking for the devs to actually take action, show that SWF is superior to THF where there are many mobs. ding!

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
	IP Logged

Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #91 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	itsmineisawitfirst wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:37pm: Guys, if you think his testing isn't valid, then do your own testing and find out for yourself. itsmineisawitfirst wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:37pm: Guys, if you think his testing isn't valid, then do your own testing and find out for yourself. we don't have to do our own testing to show his testing parameters are already biased to skew results in favor of his argument. to be a true comparison he would at least need to do the following: both builds exact same stats, enhancements, and skills except for thf & swf feats both builds in same stances, destinies, buffs, etc except for those specific to swf & twf both builds use weapons with the same crit profiles and base damage. he didn't do any of that.� test = invalid. you = mental invalid.
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:06pm by Yobai »
	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
	IP Logged

Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #92 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	Quote: I already did THF EEDA entries. Sure, I can do SWF once lamannia opens up again. I think I have an EDA recorded on a swashbuckler from last lama session, different build though. If you want it, I can post it. No, not on lam, on live, I dont know what kind of exploits you have on lamm.


	IP Logged

Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #93 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:10pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:05pm: both builds use weapons with the same crit profiles and base damage. That one's unreasonable to adhere to completely.
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:10pm by Dickbutt »

	IP Logged

Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #94 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:05pm: both builds use weapons with the same crit profiles and base damage. Wow, words of wisdom from yet another jizzbucket poster... There are notable differences between the weapon profiles of two-handers and one-handers, I intend to do maximum possible damage with either weapon style, and then I'd record the time comparisons. I don't even know for sure whether dwarven axe or bastard sword does more damage WITHIN the combat style. So, I did two bastard sword runs with a virtually identical thunder-forged version of my live falchion (I think I might have went with paralyzing, my live falchion has mortal fear - paralyzing has no bearing on red named DPS anyway). Then I did a few harpie runs with a TF dwarven axe with headmans chop and compared THAT to my THF falchion. When I did the swashbuckling kensei build (which I have yet to post) I took all the shield mastery feats and twisted in legendary shield mastery with an orb in the offhand. Are you going to call this unfair too? SWF has 18% doublestrike available through shield mastery feats, its too bad that THF can't enjoy the same privilege.


	IP Logged

Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #95 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:06pm: No, not on lam, on live, I dont know what kind of exploits you have on lamm. Lol, now you think I'd use exploits to fuck with my recording results? Well, if only you'd give your own footage - then you'd be able to easily debunk that ridiculous claim. All you have to do is show a data set of your own that was done under controlled conditions (to the best of your ability) which results in a different message than mine. See? My claim is easily falsifiable, yet nobody has done it yet. I'm waiting...
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:28pm by »

	IP Logged

Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #96 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:49pm	Print Post
	Quote: Wow, words of wisdom from yet another jizzbucket poster... it's great you have a little crusade to nerf swf, but try not to be so obvious with your bias. your surprise about how easily everyone with a half a brain can see the flaws in your 'data' is like my 2-year-old nephew's surprise that I can still see him even though he covered his eyes with his hands.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
	IP Logged

Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #97 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	Quote: Lol, now you think I'd use exploits to fuck with my recording results? Well, if only you'd give your own footage - then you'd be able to easily debunk that ridiculous claim. All you have to do is show a data set of your own that was done under controlled conditions (to the best of your ability) which results in a different message than mine. See? My claim is easily falsifiable, yet nobody has done it yet. I'm waiting... Your claim is just that, claim. Your videos are fixed greatly so that it favors swf and you make it look like swf is 10x better than anything else.


	IP Logged

Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #98 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	Dickbutt wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:10pm: That one's unreasonable to adhere to completely. vanilla warhammer for swf & twf, maul for thf. average of about 1 point base damage per hit. comparing a daxe to a falchion is a joke.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
	IP Logged

Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #99 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:55pm: vanilla warhammer for swf & twf, maul for thf.� average of about 1 point base damage per hit. comparing a daxe to a falchion is a joke. Compare both at their peaks, then you'll have a realistic comparison. Would you take advantage of the SWF doublestrike that is available via shield mastery feats against THF? We have 30% faster attack speed, 8% more doublestrike with shield mastery investment vs. the 10% from grandmaster stance (since monks can't be centered with orbs), 50% extra stat benefit with 20% base glancing blow damage, AND a free tier 3 effect on a TF orb in this particular example. Let's go, this isn't brain surgery. And the only problems I've seen so far with my videos is boosting, self-healing, moving, and using a dwarven axe. I've shown WGU zeligat takedown several times, and I've so far provided a THF zeligat takedown with a manyshot burst in it. SWF won by a landslide. I show harpie videos, although limited, SWF won by a landslide again. I even have end giant from breaking the ice videos still on my computer that I've yet to upload, where it also came out ahead. What can I say, its all there.
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:30pm by »

	IP Logged

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 ... 19

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

« Board Index ‹ Board Top

Top

Vault » Powered by YaBB 2.6.11!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2025. All Rights Reserved.

Valid XHTML

Valid CSS

Powered by Perl

Source Forge