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yoshi Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 19 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Zeal vs Holy Sword Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	With the Holy Sword nerf, if you could take just one on a 2WF (khopesh) guy, str-based, which would you take?


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Cleridin Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 137 Joined: Aug 5^th, 2014	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #1 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	take lvl 15 and have both


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #2 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	yoshi wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 9:43pm: With the Holy Sword nerf, if you could take just one on a 2WF (khopesh) guy, str-based, which would you take? Holy Sword got reduced to the best weapon enhancement in the game, instead of before the nerf, when it was the best enhancement in the game. Kinda like wolves, who were ridiculous combat monsters. After the patch, they were reduced to ... ridiculous combat monsters.

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apep Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 244 Joined: Apr 11^th, 2011	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #3 - Dec 26^th, 2014 at 11:24pm	Print Post
	Short reply: For Zeal to be more effective, your proc damage has be about 8 times your base damage. Long reply: Holy Sword: 15-20/x4, +1 damage Zeal: 17-20/x3, +10% double strike Assuming Dreadnought for both. The crit range increase and doublestrike from DC would favor Holy Sword over Zeal. On the other hand, the higher melee power from blitz also favors Holy Sword (assuming your base damage is significantly higher than sneak attack and procs that scale with melee power). For TWF, Holy Sword applies to both weapons, but doublestrike only applies to that main hand. Assuming 80% offhand proc. Given: w = proc damage (anything that isn't multiplied by a crit) x = str mod y = base damage without str mod or holy sword z = doublestrike without zeal +1, as a fraction (1 if you have no doublestrike, 1.25 if you have 25% doublestrike) Average damage over 20 swings, with no grazes and all crits confirmed/fort bypassed. First number is main hand base damage, second is offhand base damage, third is combined proc damage. D_HS = 37(x+y+1)z + 370.8(y+x/2+1) + 19w(z+0.8) D_Zeal = 27(x+y)(z+.1) + 270.8(y+x/2) + 19w(z+0.9) Assuming 0 doublestrike without Zeal - which would favor Zeal over having some doublestrike - and excluding the +1 from Holy Sword for simplification: D_HS - D_Zeal = 7.3(x+y) + 8(y+x/2) - 1.9*w


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yoshi Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 19 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #4 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:24am	Print Post
	Thanks all! Cleridin wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:10pm: take lvl 15 and have both Would if I could, but it's an old account I inherited and I don't quite feel like spending for a +1 heart (build is 14 paly/6 ranger 2wf+ranged).


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #5 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 5:12am	Print Post
	Then holy sword.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #6 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 4:50am	Print Post
	Why do people still use khopeshes?

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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #7 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 6:23am	Print Post
	Some are still stuck in 2010.


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yoshi Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 19 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Zeal vs Holy Sword Reply #8 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 7:14am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 4:50am: Why do people still use khopeshes? In this case, because that's what the character has plenty of.


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