franohmsford asskissing big time:

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Sounds like a bug that probably got fixed ASAP the instant Turbine heard about it {I can't see them letting that continue for long!}.

I avoid the Grotto these days but I have run it a coupla times in the past year {and plenty of times since 2010!} and never had any issues with it.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/454984-ReVamp-Korthos-please-for-DOOs-...




When there's a bug, Turbine fixes it ASAP! 

omgspiderz wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:02pm:



New players are attracted by a new game... an 8 years old game will only get new players that comes because they were told by old players to come...
the ocasionnal really new player that stumbled upon the game is.... a rarity.

Korthos is good as it is, no point in fucking it up more than it's already fucked up... Except maybe to revert back to the old Lower Harbor and Euphonia's Challenge, so that New players get a clue that a 8 CON Rogue is not a viable option.

noamineo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 6:01pm:


Agreed, it ain't the graphics that are the problem!
I think the overly complex rules probably scare off many mainstream gamers not familiar with PnP.
Most PnP would stick around, but would probably struggle with the move away from any particular edition.
So you get past that and you hit the bugs....
What's left is us and the die-hards.

Some of the recent content shows the engine still has enough in it to produce immersive content.
Sure, some of the older stuff looks it was done for a Commodore 64 and that is a shame as new players see that and think the rest of the game is like that.
Some new low level stuff might be beneficial, or in the cases of these creativity starved muppets, a new design pass over some of the old content might be easier.  But it won't happen.   

Illetirated wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 3:25pm:

And he's so close to the truth. He admits his blindness, but can't follow it to its logical conclusion.

Flav wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 2:24am:


I know the whole resume argument.
I was more coming at it from the perspective of making the game profitable by attracting and retaining players for longer.
Kind of takes vision (and some basic business skills), but there isn't any of either left at Turdbine.

I suspect you're right about TOEE at 7th and the coincidence of VetII.
But as you said, that is going to be a disaster combining new players with brand new toons in any decent content.   If they make it My Little Pony level, then no exisitng players will play it.

TOEE has the potential to be a game changer, I hope they don't fuck it up.
But IMHO, based on recent experience (the current team), there is a 95% chance they will.   

qweeve wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 5:37am:

HA you seem to think that common sense applies here

noamineo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 3:56pm:



Is that like an inflatable lover? It's the best I could come up with..

Maybe just an unemployed nympho with a lot of free time? I'm trying here.

Ah Pook wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:


Yup, but at that time people knew how to code... Because they had to do it the hard way...
Nowadays you have that Visual bloatware that will do everything for you. Unless you work in very specific areas that have special requirements.
( like real time or near real time stuff, ultra fast reactions, dedicated systems... )

I did that in assembler too, getting rid of a bunch of useless lines of code... because said code was using too many clock cycles to run.
replacing factor 2 multiplications/divisions by shifts left/right does wonder...

DropBear wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:04pm:


Plus, if they were going over old content, maybe they'd be too busy to come up with new craptastic systems to clog our inventories 

DropBear wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:04pm:


Yeah, this is the real problem. They can't recognize their niche, and keep trying to develop it like a shallow mainstream game, driving away their best potential customers.

Stop using the formulas "everybody in the industry knows" and look at us as a specialty market, you'll do much better!

Meursault wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

lol. What do you think they would do to old content?

"Added a barter system to get your first weapon from Jeets by collecting brown starfish on the beach."
"Fixed!"

DropBear wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:


great name for a shuriken.

noamineo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 3:56pm:


You know what I find even more depressing? the rare (and I mean RARE) occasion when someone posts one of those 5k word entries with bullet points and it isn't just good, or well thought out but really brilliant, so good that you want to play it right away. 

The depressing part is that as soon as anything like that is posted the "personalities" of the forums and trolls come out of the woodwork and attempt to shit all over it. Seriously on the few occasions when I have seen it happen since 2006, it has never ended well. Never mind the poster getting a job with turbine, never mind the devs actually taking some of it on board, not even that. If it is good, and well done? devs have never ever even commented on it. I have always assumed it's because they just don't want to lend any credibility to the ideas of someone outside the bullpen, and the Forum scum just don't want anyone to get credit and support for something they didn't think of.

That depresses the shit out of me, does anyone remember the guy who posted the amazing Cavalier class write up? or the guys who posted breakdowns for all races?  nope? thats because people suck and all creativity must be crushed I guess. 


In the end, there is a reason folks like Munk, and Harhar have ended up posting builds here. Never mind classes, races, mounts, how much chance did the big stuff ever have if bloody builds using existing classes get forum-fucked.