endgame will saves are very low. 62ish works just fine in stormhorns.

you'll want high evocation for sunbursting DW shadows and prismatic spraying HH zombies.

EA helps with DCs since you'll get +3 from the cores, and an extra 2 cha. It's up 4 DCs over draconic.

You could probably stone in EE mod if you have the diabolical dildo. The +2 trani DC off of your self heals will make up for no capstone/drow.

Have my ecomp/comp drow capped atm. ... Wizzie is better except for MoD. Sorcs get encasement immunity from acid savant and are fleshy.

Lelouch wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 12:11pm:


Mostly because pressing a button for more spellpower is really hard, and you could probably get about the same amount of additional DPS if you just spammed more instead. 

BF isn't for survivability, it's for efficiency.  You can ignore mass hold and negative levels which means you very often don't need to fom or deathward.  And when you do need to heal quickened reconstruct is faster than scrolling, which means you have more time to spam more. 

Also, if you aren't reconstructing every 3 seconds, you probably don't have enough dungeon alert.

AtomicMew wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 9:17pm:


I will try to kindly ignore the bf is not for survival part.
If clicking a button is to hard for more spp then youbdont know the power of draconic and racial boost on a element weakend booss.
I play a fleshie sorc and there is not a single quest in game where i wished to be a bf or wf. Scrolls? What for, with recent amp buff cocoon crits for 300 per tick and card pots hit for 300 on first tick.
They gave fleshies virtual godmode.
And this are the words of someone whp destroys content.

Boosts and racial spp add way more then wasting ap into recon sla dps wise. I dont know a single scenario from my experience in ddo where a robot could outperform or dps me.
You need some skill to pull it off.
Maybe that us the issue? Skill requirement?

DropBear wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:49am:


DDO vault was made for drama.

DropBear wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:49am:

Because thread is named end game sorcerer.
And for endgame imo paper and numberwise a humie is better.

It might seem like drama start but isnt, just saying that the extra spellpower and boosts push humie ahead of bf.
For endgame experienced vet humie is better.
For non plife stacked insecure and not experienced with sorcs player bf is definetely best choice. At least for di sorcs, shiradi are a different entity
Example if you etr as bf and play in draco, this comes from experience as i myself wanted to play bf since it is easy button, you will find yourself in a situation that the lack of 2-4 dc hurts landing spells.
Imo a reliable hold and web is better then 2 recons at least for dc based.
The need for prr and mrr can be ignored since you van get by with l armor if your dcs are high enough.
As bf even at 28 you lack points for cc even in a eh mark.
Yes you get possibly more prr, drop points for asf into eldritch and 2 or more insta heals.
But you lose spellpower and dc on a dc based caster.
Even fully geared a 28 bf pure or 18/2 sorc to me lack dcs and lack spellpower.
I personally never like to push for a option that i cannot bypas with itrms. And with potions clickies you can easily bypass need for dward and healing.
Also mew prolly desnt use elemental forms that make you immune to nost cc based spells since sou count as elemental.
I dont need to bring up the dps boost you have from being in ele form and no need to use heart as bf to do the same.
And when you go to ele form to get thse caster levles you lose repair.
I mean. Yes you need to know the sucess rate of your dcs but when you get a feel, the dps boost puts fleshies and esp humie aheead imo

Correct me if im wrong since i love sorcs and am willing  to learn more about my fav class
My view is like this: max dcs>drow , max defense> bf and max dps >human

I prefer dps and consider that the best option for sorcs afteer playing all 3  styles

5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 4:16am:


I'm leaning towards a 16sorc/3pal/1 fighter  1 wiz would be preferable, but not enough to spend a +1 LR on.

Stunning shield in vanguard should be really useful (esp if it works with orbs)
MRR/PRR from the sacred defender tree should provide a lot of durability. KoTC would be a light dip for cleave.

Rest of my action points would be dedicated to casting.

AtomicMew wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 2:56pm:

20from racial and 10 from orb wielding 10 from libram.  Possibly more since you uave a extra feat and possivly more since you can pick the 3 int when boosting.
You can cery well drop cocoon but i use sense emprian enchant as primary twists.
Dont knoe anything for dps as 4th twist i could use so i take cocoon.
Tho primal is nice as dps booster.
You could drop cocoon but you wouldnt be able to spam holds in mid of mobs but from far.
Know anything tier 1ish that could be used for dps?
Frosty is also bad since you focus on high nukes and not spam
playstyle
Lotsa typos since i write from work and fat finger alot

Lelouch wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:12pm:

The 10 from orb wielding costs 8 AP, and sorcs are AP tight.  You can easily put those 8 AP into savant trees or even harper and get the same results.  Also, I'm not sure why you're attributing libram to human, as that's what I use on my bladeforged casters too.

It is mainl that the need  for healing can be bypassed with game knowledge as dc caster.
But i havent found a way to bypass need fir more spellpower yet.
Example put a libram on use boost draconic boost and press on vortex and viola.
Alrdy makes bf less interesting to me.
And it is only 3 buttons pushed / not including clickies and pots since both can use those

If first time go with bf or wf.
Takes time to get a feel how to play a sorc in epic.
Can use it as etr eh build with as you said wings n such in air.
Try to get dests done for 4 3 2 setup for empyrian sense and enchant
For drow content use webs and shouts since they got lowerish saves for fortit.
In druids n plants content necro.
Faster to wail or finger then bother with evok spells.

I dont like going evocati  personally since hold bypasses evasion and some movs have to high reflex no matter what you do.
Good pick is ruin for portal like enemies.


And ye, you got the name source right.
Since im a crazy anime addict heh.


But if first time go for bf and later if you feel you lack dcs and that push for more spp go for human.

Drow should be fine for enchant.
Should be ok even as first lifer when you get some levels.
If you got abi set twilight from ottos, help alot..
Simple thing you can do is cast hypno crushing before mass hold for will debuff.
Easiest is to macro that combo.
Also can use solid foq or mind foq and cloudkill.
Example for some reason ckill can do con damage on pillars in wgu.
At 24 you really strong.
Cloack for enchant from heroic horns and neck for evoc from wheloon.
Challenge bracer for light spp and crit chance and maybe fire cloack.
Its rathee easy to gear a sorc for etring.
For end gear only 3 char tor gogs are hard to get imo

You are immune at 20 wirh form to holds.

Have gust for dancing.
Immune to knockdowns from air core.
Only issue aresbursts which are cast by specific mobs so you can anticipate that and cc em before they cc you.
You can use it for heroics  and swap later