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Feb 4th, 2015 at 8:43am
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Trying to make ddo fun again for myself and I have 2 more arti past lives to do. The only weapon I have never actually used is a repeater/regular crossbow just because the sound they make is really fucking annoying, and you can put out more damage by just scrolling masters touch and swinging, that aside, trying to figure away to make pew pew worthwhile in heroics and maybe quick run to cap for etr->tr. Any ideas?
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 11:15am
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with harper tree you can max int and not lose dmg and have max dc's
i'd have to recommend using both casting and shooting
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 12:12pm
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Or Arti with insightful damage. Can you double up INT damage with insightful + KtA?
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 2:13pm
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Feynman wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 12:12pm:
Or Arti with insightful damage. Can you double up INT damage with insightful + KtA?

yes thats what i meant taking int to dmg and casting
and yes kta works with int to dmg its kinda what its in the tree for lol
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 2:44pm
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Yeah harper is a no brainer, but my first arti life i played a caster, and it doesnt scale well in epics, bladebarrier farting is always nice, but i was thinking something more for max ranged dps with a repeater, i know ranger levels are a given, the rest however...
  

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WelloveLLamas wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 2:44pm:
max ranged dps with a repeater, i know ranger levels are a given, the rest however...

Ultra has a split repeater build. Think it was 8 rge/ 6 rng/ 6 art. Swap to bow for manyshot when fusilade is on cooldown.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2015 at 5:21pm
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Yeah havent seen him online in a minute though, and i need the arti life.
  

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WelloveLLamas wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 5:21pm:
Yeah havent seen him online in a minute though, and i need the arti life.
Should be fine as arty icon. Bonus feats too.
think it doesnt need that many rogue levels since harper gets int to hit and dmg on bows and xbows/repeaters. More arty levels seems fine. Take 2 rogue for evasion. Or go heavy armor 13/6/1 ftr
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 2:30am
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Frankly, the biggest problem is that Arti currently sits pretty low on the list of toons that can handle Epic content. Heroic, it ROFLstomps. If you gots the skills, you don't have to worry about that, but still you might find the extra time in each quest annoying.


WelloveLLamas wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 8:43am:
you can put out more damage by just scrolling masters touch and swinging

No.

That requires a host of feats and AP to match repeater Dps. Repeaters take a host of feats, too, but they are devastating right out of the gate.

WelloveLLamas wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 8:43am:
trying to figure away to make pew pew worthwhile in heroics

Turn off game sounds.

Feynman wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 12:12pm:
Or Arti with insightful damage. Can you double up INT damage with insightful

No.

Feynman wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 12:12pm:
KtA

Yes.

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Take 2 rogue for evasion.

Holy Jesus, no.

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Or go heavy armor

Yes.


With the Harper tree, you don't have enough AP to split between all the Dps enhancements. Ftr has a crossbow line, Rogue has one, and of course Arti. The Harper tree is IMO, better than either class tree for Artis, and solidifies INT as the Arti's main stat.

You don't have to fuck around with class splits anymore. But if you want weapon versatility, Ranger is a good splash. It can also give you some of your ranged feats, so you don't lose any net feats from skipped Arti levels. Rogue splash doesn't add enough, IMO, now that HArmor is better than evasion. SA damage is always nice, and the crossbow line from Mechanic, but an Arti just doesn't need anything else from either tree. Taking 5 Wiz for perma-tensor's can be nice, but again AP are tight, and you can get most of what Wiz offers out of UMD. If you were interested in SWF, a Bard split could be fun.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 3:03am
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It should be tier 5 AA for slayer, min of 32 ap. Another 22 ap into battle engineer for fusilade. Finally harper at least 12 ap for kta and int to atk and dmg. 66 Ap total for the base of the build. Leaves 14 ap spare.

Manyshot on int build because of harper int to atk/dmg working on missile weapons. Enabling a volley of fusilade slayer followed by manyshot slayer. A 2 Fighter splash gets you heavy armor prof, haste boost, and 2 feats. 12/6/2 fleshie is what I would suggest over rogue splash. Your saves will be lower.

If warforged would probably be possible on a 15 arty 5 ranger. The fetas are very tight, 4(point blank and manyshot) less feats and must use adam body feat as another.

Bladeforged doesnt have the ap to get scribing and stalwart stance and for that should be no more than 2 pally levels while also having 2 less feats and using another one for adam body feat. Easiest healing, highest saves, immune to negs/hold, etc.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 7:30am
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BF, Completionist +2 Ranger lives...

3Paladin/17Arti Max Int+Levels, Max Con, Dex 13 w/ tomes and w/e else doesn't really matter. 14 Feats+2 ED Feats.  3x SWF, Khopeshes, Precision, PBS, Precise Shot, IC Slash, Rapid Shot, Completionist, Quicken, Adamantine Body, Insightful Reflexes, OC, HellBall, PSWF.

Battle Engineer, Max Rune Arm Line, Max HRXBow line to Haste Boost plus extra Boosts, 2 Points of Int

BF-Just enough pts to get Communion of Scribing and some fort + asf.

Sacred Defender-Stance PRR/MRR saves.
Harper-Int to everything and KTA, 4 points of Int

In DC with Sense Weakness, LD Extra Action Boost, Uncanny Reflex Tumble thing from Magister.

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Reply #11 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 10:24am
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All very valid, at a point i was even thinking dropping slayer over taking 5 barb and going to ravager t5 for the improved crit range while raging and blood str if it works with pew pew. But after looking at ravager tree, no way in hell i can spend 30 points in there. Is there anyway to increase the crit range on repeaters apart from the ic Feat? does that morphic arrows from aa make repeaters blunted as well? so far im think 11 arti/6ranger/3fighte, for stance. Cheesy
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 11:33am
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I'm struggling to see why you wouldn't go elf, get racial AA, and stick with pure arti.

It'll get you blade barrier asap,  give you AA features you want, let's you make good use of flame turret when it's useful.

14Ap elf, get AA
32Ap AA,  get slayershot
14Ap Harp, get int damage /kta

Spend rest on Arti trees.

  

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Reply #13 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 12:24pm
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I don't want to go elf and use racial AA because i have 0 interest in casting arti spells, apart from buffs, I have previously played a caster artificer and i don't fancy them, blade barrier is nice and all, but i'm trying to get as much ranged damage, not play a jack of all trades.

Flame turret is nice till level what 15 or so? seeing as i might end up doing it iconic, that option is not appealing to me, in the least. 

Also 46 ap to get slayer vs the 32 from having 6 ranger levels ( not to even talk about the free feats, access to sniper shot from deepwood, sprint boost from tempest etc.) is a huge waste imo.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 4th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Ultra has a split repeater build. Think it was 8 rge/ 6 rng/ 6 art. Swap to bow for manyshot when fusilade is on cooldown.


This.

Also you need to use a great crossbow with fusilade, much higher base damage and greater threat range and fires at the same rate of a repeater when Fusilade is being used.
  
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WelloveLLamas wrote on Feb 5th, 2015 at 10:24am:
11 arti/6ranger/3fighte, for stance.

cant fit stance, slayer, int to damage, fusilade all together.

12 art gets bonus feat and spell. 6 ranger for manyshot, bow str, rapid shot, precise shot and slayer. 2 ftr for feats, haste, heavy prof.

feats would be completionist, rapid reload, improved precise shot, point blank shot, imp crit ranged, precision, emp heal, toughness, quicken.

OC, epic toughness, combat archery.

arty bonus feats for point blank and imp crit. fighter feats precision and rapid reload.
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 5:22pm
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gawker wrote on Feb 5th, 2015 at 3:14pm:
Also you need to use a great crossbow with fusilade, much higher base damage and greater threat range and fires at the same rate of a repeater when Fusilade is being used.

True, and yet I never do. This is a true min/max tactic, and the game just so rarely needs such effort.
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 5:52pm
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WelloveLLamas wrote on Feb 5th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
Flame turret is nice till level what 15 or so? seeing as i might end up doing it iconic, that option is not appealing to me, in the least.


Reading your earlier post in the thread makes it fairly clear you don't understand how reincarnation works with iconic. You cannot do a quick etr > tr on an iconic.  On an iconic If you ETR you'll have to level to 28 again in order to get your art past life. Iconic cannot true reincarnate at 20. Instead at 28 iconics can Iconic reincarnate getting granted both their racial and class pastlife.

So you simply want arti past lives,  but rather than playing artis in heroic content where they are powerful your considering playing them in epic content where they suck, for a flawed reason.

8/6/6 splits were first common place to get pastlives other than arti. They were arti based because artI are great in heroics. All the split builds shown here help make artis better in epic content, but from a levelling perspective for arti pastlives they are inferior.

Just because I'm telling you to make a pure arti doesn't mean I'm telling you to cast exclusively.

Flame turret stops being useful, so when it does talk to Fred and ditch augment summoning for a caster or ranged feat. Pure artis are capable of ranged and casting in heroics, especially ones who already have pastlives.

At the end of the day it's your choice, it can't be helped if you want to play harder not smarter.
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Reply #18 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm
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Reading your earlier post in the thread makes it fairly clear you don't understand how reincarnation works with iconic.

Lol

Alright, my fault, i initially planned on doing a 1-20 but i changed my mind, so I can understand your points.

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it can't be helped if you want to play harder not smarter.

And this was the point, if i wanted to play smarter i would have just done swf and zerged the entire life, I wanted to try something else that im well aware is weaker as a challenge.
  

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Reply #19 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 8:54pm
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WelloveLLamas wrote on Feb 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
Lol

Alright, my fault, i initially planned on doing a 1-20 but i changed my mind, so I can understand your points.

And this was the point, if i wanted to play smarter i would have just done swf and zerged the entire life, I wanted to try something else that im well aware is weaker as a challenge.



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