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Jan 31st, 2015 at 4:56pm
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Haven't run a sorc since the release of epic levels and i'm planning on tr'ing into one to finish off arcane sphere.

was planning on going drow pure focusing on maxing my enchantment dc first and then go for evo dc after that

hold+sense weakness seems alot better than maxing evo dc

air savant primary and fire savant secondary

any tips/ tricks an experienced endgame caster could give would be appreciated
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 9:47pm
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Air savant + Harper in Draconic.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 11:45pm
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btw does anyone know this 'infinite-mana' trick?
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everyone knows about fvs levels and please get your shiradi shit outta here
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 12:25am
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obviously going in draconic, i dont see how anything in the harper tree would be usefull

edit: oops didnt look at cores
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Reply #5 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 12:58am
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nicetrybutimjesus wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 12:25am:
obviously going in draconic, i dont see how anything in the harper tree would be usefull


Harper adds a good deal of universal spell power, so mix it in with your specialty of savant. Also a few more spell pts and additional cha for a cheap invest of around 15 pts in the tree.
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Reply #6 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 1:36am
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at level 28 i am going to be wearing heavy armor, 15 percent from drow tree 15 percent augment and 5 percent ek for spell failure, im kinda puzzled as to why more people dont do this, i see alot of sorc's at 28 running around in robes, perhaps the ap investment?
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Reply #7 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 2:22am
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thinking enhancements like this
9 drow
6 ek
11 harper
14 fire
40 air

drow and ek for heavy armor

when i try out heavy armor and dont think its worth it ill not go in ek and not so deep and drow and put that into fire

(ap would be different while leveling ap is like that for 28 to test heavy armor)
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Reply #8 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 2:46am
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Why go half assed on the fire tree?

For 25 pts in harper you can get +2 cha, +10 hp, +120 sp, and 20 universal spellpower.

Also, if you go bladeforged you can still get 0% ASF heavy armor and enjoy the ultimate unkillability of dual reconstruct.
  

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I don't think harper is worth investing in at all.  One or two charisma and a few spellpower means almost nothing, and definitely not worth giving up tier 4 fire core. 

Also, the reason pure sorcs don't use heavy armor is because you need to burn three feats for proficiency.  Unless you want some sort of completionist flavor build, just go bladeforged, seriously.
  
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AtomicMew wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 3:14am:
I don't think harper is worth investing in at all.  One or two charisma and a few spellpower means almost nothing, and definitely not worth giving up tier 4 fire core. 

Also, the reason pure sorcs don't use heavy armor is because you need to burn three feats for proficiency.  Unless you want some sort of completionist flavor build, just go bladeforged, seriously. 


i thought that i would just need to take heavy armor proficiency? is that not the case? i havent played a caster in a while

im going to go into the harper tree for 1 more to the dc of spells, if i determine later that it is not needed i may go into fire tree, i do not fell that immolation would be too strong with this build since i will be holding everything and with sense weaknes an energy burst metoer swarm should take care of any mobs, i havent tr'd into this yet and i will be playing around with the enhancments

im not going to go bladeforged because i dont want to eat a heart, i may eventually try that out but id rather go drow more more enchantment dc


if i followed your advice and didnt go in harper tree and went bladeforged i would lose 4 enchantment dc and 3 evo dc
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 2:46am:
Why go half assed on the fire tree?

For 25 pts in harper you can get +2 cha, +10 hp, +120 sp, and 20 universal spellpower.

Also, if you go bladeforged you can still get 0% ASF heavy armor and enjoy the ultimate unkillability of dual reconstruct.


im still gettting 2 cha and sp, dont want to buy a heart to be bladeforged since i tr alot
in fire tree im losing 2 percent crit chance and immolation, rather have plus 1 to dc on my first life as an epic sorcerer, i will be playing around with different splits in trees,
this is a nuking build and stuff shouldn't be alive long enough to be hit by immolation
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Reply #12 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 4:20am
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nicetrybutimjesus wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 3:57am:
i thought that i would just need to take heavy armor proficiency? is that not the case? i havent played a caster in a while

im going to go into the harper tree for 1 more to the dc of spells, if i determine later that it is not needed i may go into fire tree, i do not fell that immolation would be too strong with this build since i will be holding everything and with sense weaknes an energy burst metoer swarm should take care of any mobs, i havent tr'd into this yet and i will be playing around with the enhancments

im not going to go bladeforged because i dont want to eat a heart, i may eventually try that out but id rather go drow more more enchantment dc


The major weakness of casters is boss DPS, not trash mobs.  Immolation helps significantly. 

For armor proficiency, you need to take all have all three feats since they are pre-reqs of each other.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 4:22am
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You don't need proficiency to get prr / mrr benefit, only concern is asf ofc.
Also, air capstone, where is it ?
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 4:26am
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yea was thinking of skipping the feat, totally blanked on capstone too thanks
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 4:29am
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im not too concerned with boss dps as i run with a group usually, i havent played this build yet tho so i may switch that in later
yea thought that may be the case with the heavy armor, in that case i will just skip the feats and still wear the heavy armor
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Reply #16 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 4:49am
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You are not supposed to get the PRR unless you are proficient. Is that not WAI?

http://ddowiki.com/page/Heavy_Armor_Proficiency

Also, the capstone pretty much blows, so you might as well go bladeforged and keep 2 pally levels.
  

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AtomicMew wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 3:14am:
Unless you want some sort of completionist flavor build, just go bladeforged, seriously. 


I've actually been trying to figure out how to make a decent pdk hybrid sorc (at least 16 sorc) for a while now.
  

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Munkenmo wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 4:52am:
I've actually been trying to figure out how to make a decent pdk hybrid sorc (at least 16 sorc) for a while now.


Charisma to damage swashbuckler?
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 6:22am:
Charisma to damage swashbuckler?


Kinda defeats the point of PDK
  

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Reply #20 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 7:17am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 4:49am:
You are not supposed to get the PRR unless you are proficient. Is that not WAI?

http://ddowiki.com/page/Heavy_Armor_Proficiency

Also, the capstone pretty much blows, so you might as well go bladeforged and keep 2 pally levels.


Without proficiency, you get "only" the 45 PRR/MRR introduced with the Armor Up update. You don't get the BAB+6.

Capstone is not ideal, but does offer PRR, extra fort, and some immunities that really help pure fleshy sorcs with abysmal saves.
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Reply #21 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 7:26am
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Munkenmo wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 7:10am:
Kinda defeats the point of PDK


Ummm...what did you mean by hybrid then?
  

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Reply #22 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 9:41am
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AtomicMew wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 3:14am:
I don't think harper is worth investing in at all.  One or two charisma and a few spellpower means almost nothing, and definitely not worth giving up tier 4 fire core. 

Also, the reason pure sorcs don't use heavy armor is because you need to burn three feats for proficiency.  Unless you want some sort of completionist flavor build, just go bladeforged, seriously. 

Agreed. BF is def. the way to go. Also agree on staying out of Harper.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 7:26am:
Ummm...what did you mean by hybrid then?


Using swash for cha-damage defeats the point of having and using pdk's cha-damage/hit.

I know swash is the obvious choice, it's just not the flavor I'm looking for.
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Reply #24 - Feb 1st, 2015 at 5:01pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Feb 1st, 2015 at 10:02am:
Using swash for cha-damage defeats the point of having and using pdk's cha-damage/hit.

I know swash is the obvious choice, it's just not the flavor I'm looking for.


Esos, max Cha, divine crusader, Enchantment focus. Major problems is crappy greatsword thunderforged and no means of helpless damage. I reccomend 2 barbarian to fix that. There's a lot of good low hanging fruit. (ear smash, imp. power attack, etc) .You'll be able to twist soundburst from EA for quest where mobs have low fort saves.

I would not play this at cap, but leveling it is ok.

If you want pdk cha-to-damage at cap, then Swashbuckler pure bard, with enchantment focus in divine crusader is the way to go. For leveling---it is equal to a sorc build but at cap their thunderforged crit range makes them great in EE mod and other places.

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