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Re: Build help - druid wolf swf+twf build
Reply #25 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 3:26am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 30th, 2015 at 2:35am:
1st degree burns is only optimal when soloing, since there are like 100 different sources of vulnerable and they all go in the same "pool" that stacks at 20. I usually use a Touch of Flames in groups and 1st degree burns for solo.

Also, the bleed damage on crit portion of Dragon's Edge seems to be bugged and completely not functioning right now, so there is a strong argument for Wrath of Flames or even a purple slot.


He's correct. If you made it in time for dupefest 2009-2015 make one for bypass and one for group play. Swap accordingly.
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Reply #26 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 3:38am
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I liked to use 3rd degree burns for solo, you really stack 20 stacks fast as fuck, in combination with touch of flames.
You can test on lama now, to see what you prefer most before dedicating yourself to farm for phlogistons unless you have done what most have done.

But if you didnt, just check on lama now most t3 effects.
Mortal is defacto best trash clear and amazing on wolf, and the dance of death/balanced attacks/sense/mortal fear is a devastating combo for whatever content.
Only issue is boss dps, so a 2nd weapon for that helps alot, i take 3rd degree dragon edge and touch usually.
But i played around on lama with many setups before i decided what to make on live servers
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 4:05am
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8d8 force damage is still pretty badass on boses. Burning Emptiness looks better on paper, but how many bosses are taking full fire and negative damage? Not very many...none in endgame raids, none in epic or heroic orchard, none in VoN, Shroud, ToD, VoD, etc. I've never considered 3rd Degree as even viable.
  

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Reply #28 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 4:07am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 30th, 2015 at 4:05am:
8d8 force damage is still pretty badass on boses. Burning Emptiness looks better on paper, but how many bosses are taking full fire and negative damage? Not very many...none in endgame raids, none in epic or heroic orchard, none in VoN, Shroud, ToD, VoD, etc. I've never considered 3rd Degree as even viable.


Its really good as swap in for wolf builds.
Like few seconds to max stacks, you can keep it at 20 then with a first degreee bursn edge mortal fearer tho
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 6:15am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 30th, 2015 at 4:05am:
8d8 force damage is still pretty badass on boses. Burning Emptiness looks better on paper, but how many bosses are taking full fire and negative damage? Not very many...none in endgame raids, none in epic or heroic orchard, none in VoN, Shroud, ToD, VoD, etc. I've never considered 3rd Degree as even viable.

even if they are taking half fire and no neg it's still aroud the same as 8d8 force. Only way 8d8 force is more is if youre fighting an undead wisp.
  

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Reply #30 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 7:14pm
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That makes it a bit easier, and no, I just started playing and this is my first serious build - so I didnt get any duping in, dont know any working hacks,  and I'm having to work at every inch I get in terms of gear.

That being, said, I am stuck soloing a ton, so probably going to go with whatever lets me do that best in the hardest difficulty I can manage.
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Reply #31 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 1:37am
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Fail wrote on Mar 30th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
That makes it a bit easier, and no, I just started playing and this is my first serious build - so I didnt get any duping in, dont know any working hacks,  and I'm having to work at every inch I get in terms of gear.

That being, said, I am stuck soloing a ton, so probably going to go with whatever lets me do that best in the hardest difficulty I can manage.


I don't have anything from 2014, but I've already given up playing on the live servers again, did you make an account on Sarlona?
  

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Reply #32 - Mar 31st, 2015 at 12:24pm
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I just finally tried out test server tonight and im not liking what's happening to me in ee (though I could be screwing this up).

Just in case I have to "save" this build by going the  monk/druid path with my backup +5 LR, would it be best to make  TF shortsword, qstaff, or hand axe (seeing on some posts stating you can stay centered with these in wolf form, but no explanation given) if anyone knows?

I'm also torn as the TF weapon will be my epic go to and I'm highly unlikely to get a chance at enough mats for an armor and second weapon anytime soon, so my first TF weapon will likely be my only one for a while - does fire damage really get nerfed that hard on bosses in this range?
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Reply #33 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:52am
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 30th, 2015 at 6:15am:
even if they are taking half fire and no neg it's still aroud the same as 8d8 force. Only way 8d8 force is more is if youre fighting an undead wisp.


Burning Emptiness damage varies widely with crit range, but you are clearly full of it, Nubbins.


The fire damage is < 82.5 on average per 2 secs DoT.
Mortal Fear force damage is 36 per attack on average.
All fighting styles can get more than 1.5 attacks per second at 28.

The negative damage is where the real DPS is. It comes out to 52.4 damage per attack on average with a 15-20 crit range. BUT...so many bosses are immune or freaking healing from it.
  

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Reply #34 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 2:38am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:52am:
Burning Emptiness damage varies widely with crit range, but you are clearly full of it, Nubbins.


The fire damage is < 82.5 on average per 2 secs DoT.
Mortal Fear force damage is 36 per attack on average.
All fighting styles can get more than 1.5 attacks per second at 28.

The negative damage is where the real DPS is. It comes out to 52.4 damage per attack on average with a 15-20 crit range. BUT...so many bosses are immune or freaking healing from it.


Should be ok for temple.
If they dont put +7 tomes into freaking store like they always do, the neg damage from thforged might finally shine.
Aslo, epic vale and amarath has mostly neg damage vulenerable shit, in cse they dont put mass dward spaming tiefling clerics
  
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Reply #35 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:58am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:52am:
so many bosses are immune or freaking healing from it.

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Reply #36 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 2:24pm
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The weapon I am making should be viable for soloing (not that I cant find a backup for that) quests, but mostly its for epic raiding all content from web through temple.

I'm reading in a lot of places that what was suggested with  burns/mortal/edge is the go to combo  - I'm just wondering if thats still okay with crap supporting equipment or does it shine on no matter what.

In regards to bosses in raids - will I still be able to hold my own as soon as I can get Tier 2 enchant on the weapon and if not, can I farm a piece of non-raid gear to help me
OR
do I just have a weapon switch out for raid bosses (I dunno , but I'm  getting the impression this might be whats supposed to be done regardless - confirm)?

In re the debate going on above me, please continue with supporting facts for your pov if you could, so I can learn what it is exactly that makes you feel the way you do and maybe that will give me more insight into the game.

Thanks again for the info guys.
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Reply #37 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:38pm
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Look into making a concordant opposition greensteel healing amp shortsword for your off hand.

That will do a lot to boost your survivability.
  

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Reply #38 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:55pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:38pm:
Look into making a concordant opposition greensteel healing amp shortsword for your off hand.

That will do a lot to boost your survivability.


That then defeats the whole purpose of a wolf druid exploit build as I lose all my swf feats/bonuses...right? o.O
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Reply #39 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:56pm
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Fail wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:55pm:
That then defeats the whole purpose of a wolf druid exploit build as I lose all my swf feats/bonuses...right? o.O


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Reply #40 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 7:11pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:56pm:
learn to hotswap.


Gotcha - hadnt thought of that but should be easy enough to do - I am so used to WOW and the delay in swapping built in that it never occurred to me  that it worked in this game. :/

I'm going to wait till tonight to make my TF weapon - hoping someone confirms that the go to on that is still
burns/edge/fear even w/o good supporting equipment on raid bosses in the areas I want to do.

On another note:

I am getting to where I am about to be able to twist in sense weakness as the OP of this builds suggests, and I am wondering on what skills/items are we relying to proc helpless in mobs.
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Reply #41 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:59pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:58am:
undeads and?


Constructs and anyone with deathward.
  

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Reply #42 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:01pm
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Fail wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:
Gotcha - hadnt thought of that but should be easy enough to do - I am so used to WOW and the delay in swapping built in that it never occurred to me  that it worked in this game. :/

I'm going to wait till tonight to make my TF weapon - hoping someone confirms that the go to on that is still
burns/edge/fear even w/o good supporting equipment on raid bosses in the areas I want to do.

On another note:

I am getting to where I am about to be able to twist in sense weakness as the OP of this builds suggests, and I am wondering on what skills/items are we relying to proc helpless in mobs.


1st degree/dragon's edge/mortal fear is an excellent all-purpose weapon if you are only going to make 1.
  

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Reply #43 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 7:46am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:59pm:
Constructs

they shouldnt be immune to harm.

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:59pm:
deathward

red names have this?
  

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Reply #44 - Apr 6th, 2015 at 9:55pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 7:46am:
they shouldnt be immune to harm.


Warforged are a prominent exception. Any other constructs taking negative energy damage should be considered a bug.

Rubbinns wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 7:46am:
red names have this? 


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Reply #45 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:31pm
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question of the week -

I know dreadnaught crushes all the other epic destinies (not arguing that, like I even could), but im wondering, what exactly is it about primal avatar that keeps it from being best for a wolf build?

What did they not have/have that makes the epic destiny made for a druid wolf build not be the best?

I'm trying to look under the hood, but my knowledge of mechanics is just starting,so this bugs me.
  
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Reply #46 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 10:57pm
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Fail wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:31pm:
what exactly is it about primal avatar that keeps it from being best for a wolf build?

What did they not have/have that makes the epic destiny made for a druid wolf build not be the best


The best thing about wolves is their rediculously fast attack speeds whilst using all their combat styles.

The best part about primal avatar is switching into tree form and attacking incredibly fucking slowly for some big assed hits.

The best part about Legendary Dreadnaught is all the melee power in Blitz, which doesn't require you to turn into a tree and attack slowly.

As you can see, LD and Wolf form can work well togther.  But Wolf form and Primal Avatar have some clashing properties.

Some builds that are centered can make good use of Tree form, thanks to the awesomeness of Whirlwind attack, but the best druid builds are not centered anymore.
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Reply #47 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 2:20pm
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Ive gotten a displacement clicky down and working on a second, but also I saw that I could use the googles (all clickies are googles to prevent death from uncleansed gs items) with freezing ice guard and extra HP as my reg item to provide another source of helplessness in mobs.


Is there anything wrong with making and running with GS aspect of ice ii - freezing ice guard to help proc helplessness, esp before ive been able to grind out all the epic levels to take the knockdown third twist?
  
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Reply #48 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 2:52pm
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I had a build that got hit a lot and wore guards, and that one didn't seem to proc all that much to me. I think it had a save most mobs could make. Mind you, I used to run Elite/red DA a lot, which we now know bumps saves.
  
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Reply #49 - Apr 20th, 2015 at 6:39pm
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Fail wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 2:20pm:
Is there anything wrong with making and running with GS aspect of ice ii - freezing ice guard to help proc helplessness


Nothing wrong with it persay, but it's probably a waste of mats due to mobs saving against your guards 95% of the time.

that's why blur item has a mix of hp, sp and cha skills.
  

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