Thanks to Forest for doing extensive testing on this.

At this time, neither Lethality nor Expert Builder increase the critical multiplier of thrown weapons.
Holy Sword also does not increase the Critical Multiplier of thrown weapons
SWB does not currently apply it's bonus to critical multiplier for thrown weapons.

There is no known way to statically increase the critical multiplier of thrown weapons, outside of Overwhelming Critical (19-20 +1), and other other ED abilities that provide the same type of bonus (LD).

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With Only Expert Builder
harharharhar wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 12:13am:

If Forest or any others want to post actual testing with with screenshots for throwing Crit multipliers, please feel free. I will continue to post test results here

Digimonk wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:



This.

Glad to see I'm not the only tired of seeing this useless screenshot shit splashed everywhere. Forest's cabal sorted out the RoF argument a couple of weeks ago, and settled this shit in one damn post.

Screenshot "proof" is akin to the dickheads who post their best ever damage numbers in their bio, sure it may have happened but it doesn't matter.

Large sample sizes, benchmarks, listed methods, controls, that is useful.

Let it go, both of you loudmouths were wrong.

the math for damage caluclations is straightforward and largely non-random based on damage. If you account for all sources of damage then testing does not require anything like the trials Forest underwent. When the only random part of a damage roll is 1d4 out of 1d4+31, and your crit multipler is x2, the range of possible numbers (if you know how to adequately account for your sources of damage that only affect crits, like by taking off your Seeker item) then there is absolutely no reason to run 1000 trials against the airship dummy.

I created this thread to not bog it down in Hag Masters weird crap, not because I want to fight with Forest.

Except for the part where I welcomed his and anyone elses testing.

And told him in the other thread I think he's right, but I was curious about why his numbers looked the way they do.

I honestly have no interest in being the best at testing, I only test because I have to in order to make builds. I would be more than happy if someone else who is better at testing than me (and shares their results and methods) did all of the testing. If that's forest, so be it.

I took what Forest outlined and tried it myself, I didn't have time for his full sized samples but it was pretty clear he was dead on by the time I finished my smaller samples.

Neither Expert builder or Lethality are giving any crit multiplier boosts. Also with no gear whatsoever and in a shitty destiny for ranged I was still getting a effective critical multiplier of around 2.6! even with just Harper giving me Intelligence damage.




Grand's  'Pico' Test
Lev 28 pure rogue
In capped fury (only +1dam, nothing else)
Light armor
zeroed-out returning throwing dagger
No other equipment
Overwhelming critical was switched out for IC throwing
precision running
12 points harper
Hit average from 5 sets of 20 normal hits
Crit average from 5 sets of 10 crits
All sets against a fresh dummy

Harper only averages
Hit   30.5
Crit  78.5
mltp   2.6

lethality and Harper averages
Hit   30.4
Crit  78.3
mltp  2.6

Expert builder and Harper averages
Hit   31.2
Crit  79.8
mltp   2.6

I'll post returning throwing axe numbers and night forge spike when I am done running sets on them in the next day.

Hag Master wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 10:54pm:


Yeah there is a lot going on under the hood that we don't know for sure, and I don't know if the Devs really do either. All we can do is try to quantify it every time they make a change in the guts of the game.

BTW big fan of you barbs.

I'd often felt that crits on thrown were bigger than they should be so this is interesting, thanks.

/necro

I was running a melee assassin with Knife Specialization last night. I busted out a throwing dagger (Chill Shard) to hit a lever. I noticed that Knife specialization displayed as applying the throwing dagger. I got curious and started throwing it at mobs until I got a crit. It appeared to be x3 damage. I'd need to do an actual test sample to be sure, but first has anyone else already tested Knife Specialization for a working competence bonus to crit multi for throwing?