As an added note, I think raid sagas are dumb. People still need to flag for them. Heroic raids are what? A waste of time since no level takes longer then two hours to pass by. Epic raids? Most of that crap is trivialized by the fact only a couple pieces of the raid gear are of use to any build. When Epic shroud comes, and they keep the gear customization to what it was in the first shroud, most gear in the game will become useless. Which is fine. Shroud is awesome and what DDO should be.

The power creep turned into a power run. I remember the days when you were batshit excited over masterwork gear on your newby. Now it doesn't even exist.

Raid sagas serve no purpose.
Let us start with some Heroic ones shall we?


Master Artificer, LoB, Shroud - They are ingredient based crafting. Would vastly dilute any saga to make it unappealing and not worth the extra time people already do not invest into it. As it is all near level 20, so why bother? It wont do you any good.

Chronoscope, Von 5/6, Tempest spine - all are typically currently ran. Wouldn't make a bad Saga I guess. For those 3 anyways.

DQ - usually soloed or done in a small group to avoid instructing gimps that don't know it. Heroic levels are a wash, it is about getting through them, not farming for raid gear you will not use.

Abbot - to much technical skill required to do at level. Still run every now and then on some servers for some of the gear to level with, at 28.

VoD, Hound - Takes to long to get there, it would be faster to run some quests and get level 20 that way. There is potential if the reward was good enough and not diluted by junk.

Horoth - amazingly the name of this raid escapes me. It perplexes me as to why, but whatever. Tower of Despair, just fucking remembered as I typed. I wondered why at first... Then I remembered that it took over 140 runs for my Monk to get a shintao Ring. I was in despair, running through that tower over and over. Not worth it, your are level 20 before you will bother getting flagged. The gear is now irrelevant. As was the flagging and trying to farm out the boots of Anchoring.

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Epic Raids.
This could be a thing, if done right.

VoN, DQ, Chronoscope - Make a Saga, have the actual raid Item drop for saga completion - not the scroll, seal, or shard. BAM! Successful Saga.

CitW - Who cares? Turbine fucked this raid up so badly they sent everyone a box, which this was bugged and many received two boxes, and then nobody ran again. The gear is so largely irrelevant now it begs me to repeat, Who Cares? Flagging process is long - some people still do the flagging though (I do because I like the chain pt2, and 3). So might get away with being able tag it into a Raid saga cluster - just make sure the gear that can drop here takes up two, maybe three reward places. Never more then that. Also, three is really testing it, depending on how many pieces of gear are available at the completion of the saga.

MoD,

Fire on thunder peak (double dragon, good game in the day), Temple of the Easy beatdown  - You would have to stacks of ingredients as the rewards as well as the gear. Making it easier to craft weapons for noobs so they arent as nooby. Vets also get to make more weapons to just play with. A massive stack of thunderforged Iron as well, as it takes so much of it could be in there. Like a stack of 300.
I know what you are thinking - but people with raid timer bypass will have tons of ingredients! DDO is long established in the Pay to win scenario, suck it up buttercup.

Fall of truth - it replaced the old reaver raid for the joke raid. Naked runs and what not now go through there. A joke of raid, for joke loot. Why have a saga letting people know it is a joke?




That sir, is my opinion on that.

Epoch wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:28pm:


You are God

Meat-Head wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:33pm:


Yes. And they failed. With +6 and +7 tomes around, +5 tomes for max favor now seem like a joke.

Epoch wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:03pm:



/signed

Some good person posted prices for the new remnant books on the DDOWiki. A total of 62.5k remnants for +2 PRR,MRR,MP,RP, and spell power. Happy farming.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_27_named_items#Mysterious_Remnants_collector

crunch wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:12am:


that's absurd.
I have more remnants than I know what to do with and I still wouldn't pay that on principle.

They don't understand the simple premise that in order to motivate people it has to be achievable and worthwhile.

Do they have any idea how long 12.5k remnants takes to get (legitimately) just to earn +2 to PRR, MRR etc?  i guess not as they don't play the game.
There is grind and then there is stick your dick in a blender, and beyond that is Turdbine.

Epoch wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

This.

But like everything else in the game Turdbine is going to ruin it.

Epoch wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:28pm:


I like this idea.  They have an omnispell dust component that can be used as any spell component.  They should make an omni-shroud component.  An omni-Alchem component.   An Omni-Cannith Challenge component.   etc.  Then, have those start dropping instead of the old stuff.  Offer a turn in to change all your old ingredients to these.  Change the recipes to accept only X omni ingredients. 

If you had 1 ingredient for shroud, 1 for lob, 1 for cannith challenges, 1 for eveningstar challenges, etc. then you would only need about 15-20 different ingredients across the entire game.  Enough to fit in a small bag (in lower stacks, but still, the gargantuan bags would still have value for their stack sizes).  Do the same with collectibles.  Change all the collectibles to be generic.  So you can use them at any collectible turn in vendor with differing prices for the items. 

And absolutely /signed on the seal shard scroll system.  Get it consistent with all the other epic gear.  It makes no sense that 1/3rd of your epic content is done completely differently than the rest.  I'd fix the EN/EH/EE thing too while you were at it.

Remember when the game didn't suck?

crunch wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:12am:


Holy fucking remnants batman!

I don't think I've gotten enough remnants for even one +1 item, let alone the upgrade and the fact that there are 5 of them.

I've been slowly running TR's, mostly iconics and some etr's since they came out and the fact that none spawn when you're not level-equal is a huge issue.  I've been pretty much ignoring them as just another collection junk.

every time a new mat is added to the game,this is how i picture the devs responding to complaints

ILoveExploits wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:54am:


They will. Just like they do everything else.

Artorias wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:37am:


E shroud items main ingredient is supposed to be your tier 3 shroud item - so yes. I assume it will be very similar. These were the design plans for it a long time ago. If they will change it, who knows? That sounds like they would have to have an original idea of their own, so I doubt it will change.

GH is already useless. They did that with random loot generation items. TF weapons I doubt will compare to shroud epic weapons. Most wheyloony gear is crap. Stormhold, does anyone search for stormhold gear anymore? I think most of the crap you named is already worthless.

I do not believe I said VoD is useless. I believe I said it would be worthwhile if done right.