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They're trying hurd to get Shade to come back

Jeff_Stryker wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:31am:


People with 77+ Necro DCs and 81+ Evocation DCs are considered "weaker players"?

























PS.: there is a guy who went full retard with EQ DCs reaching over 90 and that seemed to work reliably.

On EE, at current cap and gear, I'd say that DC casting should be a 50/50 proposition at best.  Given the anticipated 2 level raise and some new gear/power creep to come with it.  It should not be 80% success or no fail at this point.  But it shouldn't be 100% fail. 

I'd like to see EE be too difficult to solo on most any builds unless you just want to waste a stupid amount of time and/or resources.  But I'd want that to apply to all build types - nukers/spammers, melee DPS, ranged DPS, tanks, DC casters, etc.  Not too heavily skewed towards one build.

I'd also be OK with a certain quest, or even pack, that is less advantageous to a certain build.  There are quests (or packs) that seem to be more difficult for a specific build.   Due to the map layout, enemy mob features, etc.  I don't think that every quest (or even pack) needs to be equal for all builds.  But I also don't think that a build should be completely invalidated.  It's OK, for example, if mobs can't be instakilled because of an epic death ward, but can be held or danced, or whatever.  Not in every quest, but for a quest or a pack, if there is a reason, that is fine.

It sounds like they need to tone the saves down slightly.

The valid question here is why haven't they answered before this, and why not adjust the saves down earlier so you get more time and feedback to calibrate them.

I understand it is better to start high and let the whining bring them down, but it would appear from our perspective that have not done very much with them in the latest Lamm releases.  Before we know it, it will be Live release and OMG, no time to change or calibrate them.....

Asheras wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:42am:


Even in areas where DCs are no fail I can kill far more monsters per minute on my barbarian that I can on my wizard.

This shit used to be hard to balance, but since melees became god-mode it's retarded to have to spend 100-200 SP per kill on a caster.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:14am:


They should, except that they NEVER think they do anything stupid.

It's always someone else's fault or failure to understand how it's different for Turbine.

I'm sure their response will be "isn't it cute how some players are always trying to overperform".

DC casting has been dead for months now.  Probably longer.  I gave up on it and run my PM as a shiradi wizard now cause it's become the only viable caster build unless you have triple completionist and put an enormous amount of work into tweaking every single enhancement, feat, and item you're wearing to eke out the very highest DC.  Why do you think they keep adding impulse items to the game like the new Rod of Mythant.  They know nobody should be playing a DC caster.

Even when you have a high as fuck DC caster, you have to contend with Turbines constant propensity to throw FoM or deathward randomly at every other mob in epics and making them immune to everything else you have.  Nothing more frustrating than casting mass hold monster and seeing a deathward icon fade in above everything's head.

Asheras wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:


My definition of "retarded" is quite broad, plenty of room for you.

Where is 75 necro dc not enough? Does fine for me...

goldgolem wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:


Epic Elite U27 new stuff.

I think the main problem here, as with ToEE, isn't so much how things ought to be ideally, but how things ought to be in relativity.

We can sit and have a debate about the role of DC casters in the game. Should they be able to faceroll everything if triple completionist/optimal gear/spent lots of time getting the absolute highest dc? Should they do well in most content, but have certain achilles heel quests where they need a party? Should they only have a niche role in the party? Or something else? We can put forth valid, reasonable cases for any of these viewpoints.

But we also need to examine the current state of the game. I could be wrong on this--and if so, correct me please--but my impression is that DC casters are relatively successful. A strongly, intelligently (no pun intended) built necro PM is currently able to instakill most things in most content. With this in mind, it'd be odd for Turbine to change this trend with new content releases. If they release a new pack where suddenly uber-built DC casters can't do anything? Then yeah, I would say there's a problem because this isn't in-line with the current content on a relative level. In my opinion, DC casters should be as approximately as strong in the new content, as they would be in any comparable leveled content. It sounds like this will not be the case, and OP in the thread you linked seems to have a point.

It was the same issue with when TOEE was released. We could discuss how heroic elite "ought" to be--should it only be for the cream of the crop, should it be slightly more difficult than hard, etc... but the main issue for me was that ToEE in heroic, a level 7 quest, was so disproportionately harder than any other level 7 quest. That, to me, is an issue. I don't think it's a good thing when any game releases content that's ridiculously more difficult than any other content around its level.

My wizard is parked, I don't see any fun in more etr.
And I don't bring the toon into Toee or just play some EE for fun. It's too weak to solo or shortman stuff.

Fvs I play now and then, it's quite okay but the character has every damn piece of gear and past lives.
"Done" too - not much point doing more lives.

Pally or mechanic ( really, whatever dumb ass build ) wipes the floor with my casters.
Simple as that. Noone plays anymore so you'd often have to just solo, there is always that point when I think "why the fuck I don't just Blitz this on stronger class".
They are fun but you'd need company for etr. I am not gonna farm Toee or Vol on wizard either.

The difference in class power is huge.
From the comments it would seem that not many people have that kind of first hand perspective - actively playing different classes.

Monster saves in new content are just retarded.
All five remaining wizards are gonna get pissed for sure.