5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:21am:


Dude.  "T."

5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:28am:

This.

The motherfuckers who did neverwinter ruined my dream to find a replacement.

hmmm, concerning the lag - I m connection from Europe, and never get some persistent lag isues. sure some lagspikes here and there, but wiping on lag is pretty rare (still thinking most of lag wipes are due to one or two person in raid with really shitty connection desynchronizing all others)

and for questing - get good guild and find tr buddy. that was best recipe since tr started. this game is more n more solo oriented and nerfed to bone, due to fuckin casuals crying they are unable to run stuff on elite. so most people solo or run in small guild or channel based groups. way to avoid hurt pugger spilling bullshit about zergers on mobos.

that's why we have no fun anymore:/

5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:28am:


No but really, if this is a thing I would like to play it. I could give a fuck about Dungeons and Dragons.

harharharhar wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:


There's no bitterness, I had fun, but the DDO I liked and DDO as it exists now are not the same.

Thanks for the offer, but I've got no interest in going back.

Skoodge wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:24am:


hahaha!!! You nailed it!

Sasha wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:


There is longer content.  But nobody runs it.  The daily runs are all about XP/min.

These things.

-Combat
-Multi-classing and build variety
-No quests with gather a bunch of x and deliver them to an NPC that you find in every other MMO.

The game is comparatively small in regards to content, lacks a true crafting system and does not have enough non-questing time syncs of value.  Still, all that said, there is nothing with the same combat and multi-classing as this game so here I still am 9 years later.

^^ This
After Crushing the U27 at Lama and decided to take a break from the game it took one drunken retarded run with these guys to keep me for a while longer.

Asheras wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Sure we always can play a fighter or monk or whatnot at cap and do decently if we're good enough players... but human nature generally would cause us to think, "why bother?" I can play a fighter build, but it just seems pointless when a comparable paladin build can do everything my build does and more.

Ideally, every build or class has its downsides, upsides, and tradeoffs when compared to other classes. Back when I first started playing, for instance, paladins used to be quite a bit less powerful than fighters, and also had a harder time getting equal amounts of AC, but in return, they had healing, higher saves, and a party-wide aura. Problem now is that paladins are stronger than fighters, have no problems getting the same amount of AC or more, more saves, and have great healing and said party-wide aura. There's no tradeoff, and there's no difference in playstyle either--the only "difference" in playstyle is that paladin is simply better.

Strakeln wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:50pm:

I joined only after it became F2P... 2 years without any content sounds awful. May as well have been called vaporware at that point...

Voice chat isn't really a problem innately, but the way it's implemented brings out the worst in a lot of people. I don't mind doing a Skype conversation or etc with a group of friends or people I know, and I'm willing to sacrifice listening to music or whatever else I'm doing in order to do that for my friends. But I don't feel very compelled to do the same for some random strangers online. Could just be me, but I'd rather multitask, especially while running an easy quest. Some people start acting disappointed or annoyed when they see that my ears are turned off, and in response, I just ask them how hard it is to type. Like I said in my original post, how hard is it to type a simple quest name? Or a countdown for a lever pull in Shadow Lord, among other things? IMO voice chat, while I can see its appeal, really isn't necessary for running any content. Furthermore, it can actually be more inefficient in communication--voice chat breaks up sometimes; sometimes your microphone is turned too low and people can't hear you, resulting in confusion; people lag; people might go afk and miss something you say; some people are deaf; some people don't have speakers; some people like to listen to music/podcasts/etc like I do; some people simply have voice chat turned off for any of these rational reasons. You don't have any of these complications with typing.

I used to have it turned on at all times, and yeah it had its moments sometimes, but I started to notice that the vast majority of people who used voice chat liked to just "yap through a whole fucking quest" like you said. And I also realized that I don't need voice chat to run any quest. Most quests really don't require much in the way of communication, and even then, text is preferable for a lot of cases, such as in ADQ1: I'd rather someone typed out the riddle so I can see it there for the next 15 minutes, than someone say it and force me to memorize it. Or in VoN5, if someone uses voice chat to say "I've got voice and ring," it's easy to forget who said it, whereas with text, you know who's typing what. I've gotten through any quest that I want to do, and any time I'm leading (which is often), I never have a problem communicating with typing. I've never thought "oh, hey I really wish I were using voice chat right now!" 

It's just a big problem with at least 40% of the groups I find now (always has been), and is yet another issue I have with what remains of the community. Sorry for the long post, but the prevalence of people who overly rely on and abuse voice chat annoys me.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

True, and admittedly I haven't found an MMO that I really like more than DDO; I still think it's among the better ones I've played... but even then I'm not enjoying it. I'm not sure that "there's worse shit out there" is a good argument in favor of the game. If the game still isn't that great on an objective level (which I don't think it is), then it's not worth playing, even if it's the best on a relative level.

Maybe I'm just disillusioned with MMOs in general. From a development standpoint, I can see how difficult it would be to create a game which remains fun for years, while still spicing it up from time to time. I think if we all played Ocarina of Time or Link to the Past persistently for several years, we'd get bored of it too. But the reason console gaming works is because we weren't expected to play these games persistently. We pick em up, finish em, and let em go. Perhaps part of DDO's problem is its inherent nature as an MMO.

My point is that, just because there are worse games out there, does not mean that DDO is a fun game that I personally like playing. Sure there could be worse shit out there, but the bottom line is it's still shit. At least in my view.

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I get you and I agree with  you.  Every class should have trade offs.  The problem is that this is a 10 year old game.  All changes are done in series.  At any given point in time one class/build will be overpowered vs. others.  When I started in 2008, the game was mockingly called Dwarves & Drow Online.  Because that is all anyone played.  Warforged were for kids who wanted to pretend to be robots.  The ranger class was what the Pally is now (specifically the Exploiter build).  Best melee DPS, best ranged DPS, evasion, killer saves, strong AC, trapping and UMD, self healing. 

Every class rises and falls.  The Kensai Fighters had their day.  And monks.  Now pallys and Barbs.  Same with the casters.  In the 7 years I've been playing, every class has had a turn at the top of the respective melee and casting class pecking order.   Races too. 

The Pally and the Barb are just the most recent recipients of enhancement tree love.  Fighters and rangers are coming up on the list.

They can't do a single pass and hit all classes and balance them.  They don't have the manpower for that.  So you have to deal with the serial nature and the fact that there will be some imbalance at any given point in time.  And some of that will relate to the nature of the current end game. 

As for why you would play a sub-optimal class: 

1)  it is a role playing game.  At the D&D roots, you would play different classes in different campaigns because it is fun to do so.

2)  It is challenging.  Lots of players bitch about no challenge in EE while rofl-stomping on their Pally or Barb.  But then bitch about every other class being too underpowered and they can't rofl-stomp EE.  So which is it?  Do you want a challenge or do you want to rofl-stomp?  But don't press the easy button and then complain about no challenge. And at the same time complain that the other classes suck because they are a challenge. 

It's the same as duping.  Don't dupe stones and mats and speed box your way through 36 ETR's and having hundreds of phlogs and multiple sets of T3 thunderholme weapons on every toon then complain about being bored and having nothing to do and there is no challenge.

Not saying you are doing this, but there is a good volume of players in the game that contradict themselves on topics in DDO.