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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #25 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 4:38pm: What are you trying to acomplish? If throwers are so good dps why do you need to prove this so badly? You are the only one angry here, from what we can see per your posts, it's just classic that the angry guuy calls others angry. Ok, throwers do some dps, but it's just inferior to rogue. says the angriest guy here Vaultaccount wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 12:09pm: Fuck throwers, I hate them. They makes no sense for me. Anything that is terrible on paper 3.5 should be terrible on DDO. That is the only way the game kinda worked before MotU


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #26 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 1:12pm: its funny that people say ignorant things about stuff they don't understand and then get angry about it. Sounds like you run a competent thrower. Whats your class split? For 80 Fort and 70 Will you pretty much have to have Paladin levels. 11 rogue 6 monk 3 Pali.


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #27 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	I run on cannith.


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Bigdickrichguy Horoluth Raider Offline I'm gunna put my dick<br />in your vag.<br /> Posts: 2096 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #28 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:36pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:57am: Oh, that is going to cut deep for poor NotHarharhar who is the unmatched paragon of thrower builds. That comment will definitely hurt his feels and he'll probably say something really nasty to you. Didnt Notharhar pull a Slink?


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #29 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Doodle wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:15pm: 11 rogue 6 monk 3 Pali.� I like this build, especially for someone who does a lot of EE raiding or soloing, Though I much prefer 3 Monk, which lets your go 14 Rogue for 2 rogue feats, Improved SA, and 2 more rogue SA Die. Of course you can als ojust do 13 Rogue/4 Pallie/3 Monk and get yourself some better healing through pally (Empower Heal, LoH). All good splits!
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davenot Ex Member	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #30 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	Well the DWS does seem to be giving the threat range buff, but the Tempest is not giving the crit multiplier buff to throwing weapons, but ..... get this.� While holding a offhand weapon with core 12 tempest the off hand weapon gets the multiplier buff while any throwing weapon in the main-hand doesn't. I'm at work and have only been able to muck about a little anyone else get a chance to test for confirmation for or against the crit threat range or multipliers with thrown? And can you believe they went live with this shit untested? jerks.
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Silky Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1267 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #31 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:09pm	Print Post
	DDONoob wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:14am: Who cares? Does he?


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #32 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:53pm	Print Post
	Quote: Well the DWS does seem to be giving the threat range buff, but the Tempest is not giving the crit multiplier buff to throwing weapons, but ..... get this.� While holding a offhand weapon with core 12 tempest the off hand weapon gets the multiplier buff while any throwing weapon in the main-hand doesn't. I'm at work and have only been able to muck about a little anyone else get a chance to test for confirmation for or against the crit threat range or multipliers with thrown? And can you believe they went live with this shit untested? jerks. Dave, It's been stated DWS lvl 12 core is not working by the devs, but will fixed in the next patch/hotfix/update. The tempest core was never meant to work with throwers, and since it's a Multiplier increase, it wouldn't have anyway since multiplier effects haven't ever worked on throwers


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Who Cares Not this guy ^^^ Offline You sir, are a dickbag. Posts: 1951 Joined: Dec 5^th, 2014	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #33 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	Silky wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:09pm: Does he? No.

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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #34 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 8:22pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 4:47pm: says the angriest guy here I'm not trying to prove anything, and not bitching with people, unlike you.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #35 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	Thread lacks ass

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #36 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 8:22pm: I'm not trying to prove anything, and not bitching with people, unlike you. that is literally exactly what you're doing in this thread. In every post.


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #37 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 8:44pm: that is literally exactly what you're doing in this thread. In every post. Breath and you will see the irony =)


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #38 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:26pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:42pm: I like this build, especially for someone who does a lot of EE raiding or soloing, Though I much prefer 3 Monk, which lets your go 14 Rogue for 2 rogue feats, Improved SA, and 2 more rogue SA Die. Of course you can als ojust do 13 Rogue/4 Pallie/3 Monk and get yourself some better healing through pally (Empower Heal, LoH). All good splits! I looked at different splits.� I decided on this on due to the extra feats monk gives, 10k stars with stuff lined up kiting with tier 3 tf mortal fear stuff just melts.� �I gave up a bit of sneak attack, well more than a bit but I run EE's mainly and still don't need the SA dice that much.� When I get the goggles out of DOJ (btw do they work on ranged? the extra 3 ki gen that is), things will really not like her.�
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #39 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	Doodle wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:26pm: I looked at different splits.� I decided on this on due to the extra feats monk gives, 10k stars with stuff lined up kiting with tier 3 tf mortal fear stuff just melts.� �I gave up a bit of sneak attack, well more than a bit but I run EE's mainly and still don't need the SA dice that much.� When I get the goggles out of DOJ (btw do they work on ranged? the extra 3 ki gen that is), things will really not like her.� No ki on hit is only melee. Once you have: Quiver 8% lvl 28 Feat 10% 3x primal PL 9% Ranger DWS T5 20% You're looking at 47% Standing doubleshot, which is basically equal to 10k, but you can ditch 3 monk levels. You don't get any extra feats for 6 Monk over 2 Monk, since you're level 6 Feat is just 10k. You do get another stance, but it doesn't give you Dex. SA dice is an enormous amount of damage, esp if you run with good amount of RP (scales 150%) and Imp Deception. Imp SA and another SA dice from Rogue 13 is more damage over time than the difference between 47% Doubleshot and 10k, for sure. Anyway, it's not a huge issue, but 10k is overrated on throwers I think, if you have the PLs. Worrying about ki sucks.


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #40 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 12:06am	Print Post
	Lharharharhar wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:55pm: No ki on hit is only melee. Once you have: Quiver 8% lvl 28 Feat 10% 3x primal PL 9% Ranger DWS T5 20% You're looking at 47% Standing doubleshot, which is basically equal to 10k, but you can ditch 3 monk levels. You don't get any extra feats for 6 Monk over 2 Monk, since you're level 6 Feat is just 10k. You do get another stance, but it doesn't give you Dex. SA dice is an enormous amount of damage, esp if you run with good amount of RP (scales 150%) and Imp Deception. Imp SA and another SA dice from Rogue 13 is more damage over time than the difference between 47% Doubleshot and 10k, for sure. Anyway, it's not a huge issue, but 10k is overrated on throwers I think, if you have the PLs. Worrying about ki sucks. Yeah you make good points.� I am 28, have maxed primal, no quiver but will soon, I'll probably TR her again soon into something like what you are speaking of.� She has like 4-5 more life's to completionist still.� Just wanted the third rogue PL, then we shall see. Oh I have deception and improved as well. My toons geared well, just a couple pieces out of DOJ, which I've not been lucky with pulls at all.
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #41 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 12:23am	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:36pm: Didnt Notharhar pull a Slink? no.

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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #42 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 12:43am	Print Post
	Might look at more rgr, going drow, monk, and Pali or rogue in future.� See how it plays out.� I have several tier 3 shurikens and short swords.� Don't want a monkcher bow user.�
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #43 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:18pm	Print Post
	Looking at going 20 Ranger with Shadar Kai instead of Elf or Drow. One less dex that way but two more Con. Shadar Kai also gives a few Sneak Attack dice which goes nicely wit DWS.

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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #44 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:02pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:53pm: Dave, It's been stated DWS lvl 12 core is not working by the devs, but will fixed in the next patch/hotfix/update. The tempest core was never meant to work with throwers, and since it's a Multiplier increase, it wouldn't have anyway since multiplier effects haven't ever worked on throwers Actually the Devs said the weapons finesse feature isn't working for throwing weapons, happily both core 12's are working fine. I can see why dave tried tested the tempest core, it would have been interesting to see if it was a oversight they made. Probably less aggravating in the long run to have a situation where where a crit multp buff doesn't show up on the UI for a throwing weapon, instead of the all to common situation where the crit buff shows up on the UI but doesn't actually work in combat. So for Turbine thats sort of progress right?


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #45 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:02pm: Actually the Devs said the weapons finesse feature isn't working for throwing weapons, happily both core 12's are working fine. I can see why dave tried tested the tempest core, it would have been interesting to see if it was a oversight they made. Probably less aggravating in the long run to have a situation where where a crit multp buff doesn't show up on the UI for a throwing weapon, instead of the all to common situation where the crit buff shows up on the UI but doesn't actually work in combat. So for Turbine thats sort of progress right?� thank you for the clarification my bad. 100% brain fart on my part I have not TRd my thrower back into a ranger build yet
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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #46 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	NP I was a bit mixed up about it for the first couple hours live as well, so it was a good surprise. But, it is very annoying not to have the dex to dam available at this point, kind of stalling all my investigations.... you know shit we should have been able to do on lamma? Fucking Vag.


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Who Cares Not this guy ^^^ Offline You sir, are a dickbag. Posts: 1951 Joined: Dec 5^th, 2014	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #47 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:57pm: Fucking Vag. I am sorry but it is hard to have bad feelings about this statement, I enjoy fucking vag myself.

	Fuck Off, That is all Strakeln wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 9:17pm: WC can do whatever he wants. [] wrote on Feb 6^th, 2017 at 11:26pm: Public Service Announcement: your servers are not dead; if you can't find groups, it means you suck and/or nobody likes you.
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #48 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Okay, what's going on here? harharharhar wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:45pm: thank you for the clarification my bad. 100% brain fart on my part I have not TRd my thrower back into a ranger build yet Grand wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:57pm: NP I was a bit mixed up about it for the first couple hours live as well, so it was a good surprise. But, it is very annoying not to have the dex to dam available at this point, kind of stalling all my investigations.... you know shit we should have been able to do on lamma? Fucking Vag. Are you two actually playing nice? Is this a precursor to the end of the world as we know it?

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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Bad news for ranger 12 throwers Reply #49 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	In my defense, there were a lot of newish people asking questions on the thread so it seemed more important to get the proper facts out than score points. When Harhar took it on the chin gracefully it seemed churlish to take cheap shot. But rest easy knowing that the natural order will return before you know it was ever gone.


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