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DDO Store Issue - From Russia with Love
Oct 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm
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Don't know for sure it's Russia but the speculation about the new company running the store, Xsolla, in the thread here leads me to believe that the store is actually hosted in Russia.

I use my company's internet from home to play DDO (live right next door to the office) and we aggressively firewall things to prevent issues with spam email, etc. One of those tactics we use is a country-based ip blocker. I could not pull up the DDO store from our internet but once I switched to a backup DSL connection it worked fine.

Best guess based on that information - DDO's store is now being served from computers in Russia. Enjoy! I won't be...not changing our firewalls for DDO.
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Re: DDO Store Issue - From Russia with Love
Reply #1 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 3:26pm
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At least none of our CC info copied over...

Right?

Subway cards it is.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 4:56pm
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I have only ever used gift cards for DDO.

Even the suspicion that the store is hosted in Russia means I will continue this practice.
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:15pm
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From Wikipedia:

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Xsolla headquarters is located in Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, California. And it has offices in Moscow and Perm in Russia, Kiev, Ukraine, and Seoul Korea. The service is used by game companies, such as Steam,[1][2][3] Aeria Games,[4] BigPoint Games, Gameforge, Ankama Games, Wargaming.net, Gaijin Entertainment, Goodgame Studios, Snail Games, and many others.

Founded in 2006 in Perm, Russia by Shurick Agapitov

In 2010, 2Pay headquarters were moved to Sherman Oaks, CA. The company was renamed into Xsolla.



You lazy fucks.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:22pm
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Revaulting wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:15pm:
From Wikipedia:



You lazy fucks.


lol  don't let truth stop a good rumor.
  

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Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Reply #5 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:51pm
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If you read up on Xsolla, their customer service reps have names like Svetlana.

You figure it out.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:00pm
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I strongly suggest not doing a google image search for Svetlana, unless you have some free time on your hands, free private time that is. Wink
  

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Re: DDO Store Issue - From Russia with Love
Reply #7 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:13pm
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notajedi wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:51pm:
If you read up on Xsolla, their customer service reps have names like Svetlana.

You figure it out.

Revaulting wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:15pm:
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it has offices in Moscow and Perm in Russia, Kiev, Ukraine

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Founded in 2006 in Perm, Russia by Shurick Agapitov

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Reply #8 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:55pm
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Who Cares wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:00pm:
I strongly suggest not doing a google image search for Svetlana, unless you have some free time on your hands, free private time that is. Wink


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Reply #9 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:03pm
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Revaulting wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:15pm:
From Wikipedia:



You lazy fucks.



Good catch Revaulting!  us guys can be in a little too much of a rush to find some scandal sometimes lol, good thing a cooler head prevailed.

Russia lol.
  
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Re: DDO Store Issue - From Russia with Love
Reply #10 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:44pm
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Russia lol.


Revaulting wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 6:15pm:
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offices in Moscow and Perm in Russia

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Founded in 2006 in Perm, Russia by Shurick Agapitov

Yeah, haha! Russia lol.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 10:10pm
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Good catch Revaulting!  us guys can be in a little too much of a rush to find some scandal sometimes lol, good thing a cooler head prevailed.

Russia lol.


Um...



185.30.21.21

ARIN refers us to RIPE

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Abuse contact info: admins@xsolla.com

inetnum:         185.30.20.0 - 185.30.21.255
netname:         XSOLLA-NET
descr:           Xsolla (USA), Inc
country:         US
admin-c:         SB19064-RIPE
tech-c:          SB19064-RIPE
status:          ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by:          XSOLLA-MNT
created:         2013-07-04T13:34:40Z
last-modified:   2013-07-04T13:34:40Z
source:          RIPE # Filtered

person:          Sergey Burdin
address:         Perm, 614000, Russia
address:         Komsomolsky av. 1, business centre Sadko, 5 floor, the company Xsolla
phone:           +7 912 490 89 66
nic-hdl:         SB19064-RIPE
mnt-by:          XSOLLA-MNT
created:         2013-07-01T12:05:33Z
last-modified:   2013-07-01T12:05:33Z
source:          RIPE # Filtered

route:           185.30.21.0/24
descr:           route object
origin:          AS60527
mnt-by:          XSOLLA-MNT
created:         2013-07-12T05:01:07Z
last-modified:   2013-07-21T12:37:46Z
source:          RIPE # Filtered

https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html

Which is odd, as most geolocation services put the IP address in the US. (Maxmind and others)

Last two hops of a tracert from here:
Quote:
16   124 ms   121 ms   120 ms  GIGLINX-INC.car1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.31.56.214]
17   122 ms   121 ms   123 ms  185.30.21.21


So the box is in the contiental US, but the netblock is not under ARIN control. So weird. Does not smell right to me. RIPE with control over IP addresses in the US?  Shocked

Though this would probably explain why that guy on the shithole forums who has Russian IPs blocked at his firewall is not getting through.

It could be kosher, but it does not seem right to me, I always thought that ARIN, RIPE and APNIC etc. assigned netblocks by regional physical location, not by origin of ownership.

https://www.iana.org/numbers

Found this interesting article, but no explanation for how a RIPE controlled IP address is physically located in the United States:
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_4-4/regional_inte...

I wonder if this inconsistency is common? Surely it can't be good for global routing if so.

Anybody know how this can happen? Seen it before?
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 10:36pm
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secure.xsolla.com resolves to 185.30.21.21

https://secure.xsolla.com/

Hmmm....

https://merchant.xsolla.com/signin (at least it's on a separate IP... (185.30.21.73))

a demo... hrm...
https://demo-merchant.xsolla.com/signin

Typical these days, video documentation - everyone is too fucking lazy to actually write anything these days and assume everyone has hours to waste watching fucking stupid videos instead of just providing answers in searchable text... grr. Pet peeve.



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Reply #13 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 10:46pm
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Reply #14 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 10:56pm
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Surely somebody can find some holes in this?
https://github.com/xsolla/xsolla-sdk-php

Interesting reviews of the unity3d "SDK":
https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/35719
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 12:02am
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Anybody know how this can happen? Seen it before?


I could be mistaken but typically the RIR is responsable for the net blocks assigned to their country to use.  Applicants should be able to terminate or route to any BGP router they wish regardless of geolocation.
  
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Re: DDO Store Issue - From Russia with Love
Reply #16 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 6:06am
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Which is odd, as most geolocation services put the IP address in the US. (Maxmind and others)

So the box is in the contiental US, but the netblock is not under ARIN control. So weird. Does not smell right to me. RIPE with control over IP addresses in the US?  Shocked

Though this would probably explain why that guy on the shithole forums who has Russian IPs blocked at his firewall is not getting through.

It could be kosher, but it does not seem right to me, I always thought that ARIN, RIPE and APNIC etc. assigned netblocks by regional physical location, not by origin of ownership.



ICANN assigned blocks to the Regoinal Registrars ( ARIN, RIPE, AFNIC, ... )
The Regional Registrars then divided what they got when Local Registrars requested it.
This is how lots of stuff make wild assed guesses regarding geographical location.

With the shortage of IPv4, people needing IPs have been pilfering the addresses that aren't in their real region.

Thus you can end up with an American Company that uses Europeans IPs.
Add to that the fact that the Registring company can be in a country and the IP Block depend of another country
( typically that's the case for me at $ork... Registry say I'm working in Sweden, but the IP Block is in France and is provided by a Local French Registrar )

Add to that Content Delivery Networks that for a given DNS name will provide the nearest CDN server IP...

So as a rule, while it's generally possible to guess where on the planet somebody is based on the IP, it's not totally true...
And to get the exact location of an IP you need to go through more than looking at the bare data from the Registrars.
  

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Re: DDO Store Issue - From Russia with Love
Reply #17 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:58am
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Good catch Revaulting!  us guys can be in a little too much of a rush to find some scandal sometimes lol, good thing a cooler head prevailed.

Russia lol. 


"Us guys"?    Huh  That's an odd phrase in this context.
Reminds me of a Monty Python skit.

Tolero - are you playing with the Mattyboy account tonight?
Shouldn't you have some PR/Community stuff to do?

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Reply #18 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:36am
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I don't have to do any complicated lookups or research to confirm that a) the IP in question doesn't belong to the US and b) it doesn't belong to Germany as suggested on the ddo forum. I've got a country IP blocker set up that allows both US and German traffic. It's blocking the DDO store. Not rocket science here.

Now, what Flav posted - that a US company is using a Russian address - is completely plausible. The server could be in the US, it could be in Russia, it could be wherever, but there's no question that the IP is a country that I've got blocked on the IP blocker. With those ping times listed in yabbers post I don't think there's any question the box is in the Continental US though. However, they've done nozzed up the store for me with that stupid Russian IP.

I talked with my boss about this and he reminded me that we actually had an issue before where our cloud servers weren't accessible to us once because our cloud vendor who's located on the East coast swapped in a router with a European IP. So yeah, this sounds like it's something that happens with legit companies as well as fishy things. I guess it only sucks for me in this case as I doubt very many people are bothering with hardware-based country IP blocks. I'll just suck it up and do all my store purchases over my phone wifi. It's not like I buy stuff that often anyway.
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 2:01am
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Yeah the german lookup was from me, and It was quick'n'dirty lookup...

I got sidetracked by the CDN ( Content Delivery Network ) answer... The nearest CDN server for xsolla.com was in Germany from my corporate exit point in Kista ( Sweden ).
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Reply #20 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 1:09pm
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xsolla

They may have moved their HQ to the US, but it was started in Russia, by a Russian citizen, still has one or more offices in Russia and uses public IP addresses from ranges assigned to Russia.  Once someone has purchased the rights to an IP range from a valid registrar, there is nothing preventing them from using that IP on a server in another country if they setup the network and routes properly.

Additionally, it is essentially a payment processing middle man handling large amounts of monetary transactions across the world.  If you don't think that a company like this would be a high value target to the Russian government and certain criminal elements, you're kidding yourself.

It is amazing how much SPAM email you can eliminate at work by blocking the IP ranges assigned to China, N. Korea, Russia, Nigeria, and about 10 of the other frequent offender countries.  https://www.countryipblocks.net/country_selection.php makes it easy to generate lists for ACLs and blacklists.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm
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Digimonk wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 1:09pm:
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Sometimes you have to make sacrifices.
  
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Digimonk wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 2:31pm:
Sometimes you have to make sacrifices.

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Reply #24 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 11:01am
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Digimonk wrote on Oct 24th, 2015 at 1:09pm:
It is amazing how much SPAM email you can eliminate at work by blocking the IP ranges assigned to China, N. Korea, Russia, Nigeria, and about 10 of the other frequent offender countries.  https://www.countryipblocks.net/country_selection.php makes it easy to generate lists for ACLs and blacklists.


That's exactly why we did it. We run an email server which made us a high value target for spamming operations. We tried manually doing firewall rules for offenders for awhile but it got to be a full-time job for someone just keeping up with all the incoming spammers. Our country IP blocker got rid of that headache and had a huge impact on spam issues.
  
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