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New Player Build Help (Melee Caster Hybrid?)
Oct 26th, 2015 at 1:12am
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Hey guys, new player here. Was hoping to get some help making some kind of melee caster hybrid. Looking for something that's more interesting than just swinging I guess. Hopefully something with good sustain (I'll be soloing a lot), good AoE and decent melee.

From my little research, melee Wizard (Harper + Pale) looked like something I'm aiming for (Is this one of the better melee caster hybrids?). All of the Pale/Harper builds I've seen go 2 into Fighter, is there any merit to putting more fighter levels for better melee or something of that nature? How many melee class levels can I take without gimping my casting? Any other class splits for this worth considering?

Last questions I guess are, do FvS/Cleric/Druid/Bards have any good AoE damage spells? Can Druid cast while in a melee form? Thanks everyone

Edit: Forgot to mention I do have some unlocks, 32 point build, Druid/FvS/Monk/Arti, Warforged/HalfElf, bunch of adventures
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Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 1:38am
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Heroics aren't hard enough that you have to play the best anything. Especially since as a new player you won't even be able to unlock elite the first time through a quest.

Druid is the coolest hybrid.

Bard is the most powerful.

Arti is close behind in heroics.

As long as you get Maximize + Empower feats, you will do fine.
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Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 1:48am
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So what kind of spells do they each cast? Which has most sustain/AoE damage?
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 2:25am
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18wiz/2rog. warforged. Make sure you have insightful reflexes, max out int, go harper for mp, spell focus enchantment. Not an EE build, will lack spell pen from past lives, but on EN and some EH very fun. Q staff. Run in LD when you get to it. Mass hold, action boost haste/damage, cleave cleave, move on. Meteor swarm to mop up the survivors.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 12:07pm
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What's with mlee casters hybrids that people like so much? This shit never worked and never will. Either go full caster or full mlee. I mean, you can make it work for eh and not endgame ee, but you got the point.
  
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Re: New Player Build Help (Melee Caster Hybrid?)
Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm
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Melee/Caster.. Why has no one said Int based warlock with harper int to hit/dmg... is it uber melee, no.. but you get to spellcast while smacking things, and its all part of the class Tongue

Vaultaccount wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 12:07pm:
What's with mlee casters hybrids that people like so much? This shit never worked and never will. Either go full caster or full mlee. I mean, you can make it work for eh and not endgame ee, but you got the point.



Warlock.. warlock does EE just fine, pure 20 warlock.. can even melee by throwing your blast into an aura, do a couple aura bursts between swings..
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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2015 at 8:28pm
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potatotopato wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 1:12am:
some kind of melee caster hybrid.


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Reply #11 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:51am
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Who Cares wrote on Oct 26th, 2015 at 2:25am:
18warlock/2rog. warforged. Make sure you have insightful reflexes, max out int, go harper for mp, int to damage. Not an EE build, will lack spell pen from past lives, but on EN and some EH very fun. Q staff+aura+burst+burst.


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Re: New Player Build Help (Melee Caster Hybrid?)
Reply #12 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:21pm
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Reply #13 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:23pm
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I would just go full caster. Hybrids are not very good, even worse after all the nerfs.  Post update, I am doing:

20 warlock or 18/2 X
39 in SE (eldritch wave, SLAs and +spell crit)
8-10 TS (utterdark + crit damage)
31 ES (+6d6 light damage and aura mostly)

  
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Reply #14 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:37pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:23pm:
I would just go full caster. Hybrids are not very good, even worse after all the nerfs.  Post update, I am doing:

20 warlock or 18/2 X
39 in SE (eldritch wave, SLAs and +spell crit)
8-10 TS (utterdark + crit damage)
31 ES (+6d6 light damage and aura mostly)



Thankfully though, a warlock CAN go hybrid. The aura for castering, grab a melee wep for smacking.
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:56pm
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I don't think it works out very well tho.  The aura adds maybe a few hundred deeps.  And then you're just a really weak melee with no multipliers.  There's also a switching delay between burst/blast and melee, and I wouldn't be suprised at all if melees could do more damage with normal cleaves.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 10:46pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:56pm:
I don't think it works out very well tho.  The aura adds maybe a few hundred deeps.  And then you're just a really weak melee with no multipliers.  There's also a switching delay between burst/blast and melee, and I wouldn't be suprised at all if melees could do more damage with normal cleaves.


I think you may not have looked at the warlock... Roughly 800 or so dmg every 2 seconds, just from the aura. Not including bursting. another 1200 or so per 3 seconds with burst 1, burst 2 slightly higher.  This is assuming the target saves. Most likely will, because Cha is a dump stat for Warlocks, since DC requires way too much effort to actually function enough in EE

With int to dmg on sticks from harper, your looking at ~350 per swing of the staff (know the angles is fun on Int based things)

Average of 2k dps, just in base dmgs.. not including proc effects or bursting.


As far as no multipliers, i know not what you speak of.. but thats probly because melee is shit in DDO.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 2:29am
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I've been running warlock at cap for quite a while now.  You can solo end game EEs still wearing heroic gear.  This game is not that hard, check some of my old posts in the achievement section - I'm not uber, but definitely not terrible. 

The thing is, the numbers you're talking about are just not that high.  Top end melee are doing 5K+ sustainable dps.  Actually, that was several updates ago, so it's probably much higher now. 

As for warlock, eldritch wave is literally 3x to 4x the damage of spirit blast.  So for a max dps build, you're looking at at least 32 in soul eater (although you probably want at least 37 for +8% crit and more damage dice on your SLAs).  And then if you want aura, you need at least 31 in ES and 8 TS for utterdark. 

You simply have no room to invest in harper.  And if you do, you either give up aura or lots of dps from soul eater, which defeats the whole purpose. 

Also, by using a melee weapon and not proper caster weapons, you're giving up spellpower and/or crits and probably losing another 5-10% of your dps. 

There really is just no point to a hybrid after Turbine's double nerf to ES and TS without even touching soul eater.  (And also an undocumented buff to soul eater). 

  
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Re: New Player Build Help (Melee Caster Hybrid?)
Reply #18 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:31pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 2:29am:
I've been running warlock at cap for quite a while now.  You can solo end game EEs still wearing heroic gear.  This game is not that hard, check some of my old posts in the achievement section - I'm not uber, but definitely not terrible. 

The thing is, the numbers you're talking about are just not that high.  Top end melee are doing 5K+ sustainable dps.  Actually, that was several updates ago, so it's probably much higher now. 

As for warlock, eldritch wave is literally 3x to 4x the damage of spirit blast.  So for a max dps build, you're looking at at least 32 in soul eater (although you probably want at least 37 for +8% crit and more damage dice on your SLAs).  And then if you want aura, you need at least 31 in ES and 8 TS for utterdark. 

You simply have no room to invest in harper.  And if you do, you either give up aura or lots of dps from soul eater, which defeats the whole purpose. 

Also, by using a melee weapon and not proper caster weapons, you're giving up spellpower and/or crits and probably losing another 5-10% of your dps. 

There really is just no point to a hybrid after Turbine's double nerf to ES and TS without even touching soul eater.  (And also an undocumented buff to soul eater). 



Have u post this build??
If not... stats and feats??

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