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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	Looking at the MF nerf as I was actually approaching 30 phlogs for the first time and wondering if I'd actually be better off going with something defensive on my paladin. It looks like if I take Dwarvencraft Healing Lore: Passive: Your Healing spells gain a +22% Equipment Bonus to their chance to Critical Hit that I'd also get a +2 to the enhancement bonus on the weapon. With a level 28 heal augment slotted that would take care of everything needed to fully boost healing. At least 42 spellcasting implement bonus (with the +14 on the weapon), 22% crit heals, and the level 28 devotion augment. Probably end up slotting a level 28 heal augment in the colorless slot to boot. 36 damage per hit on average and MF is a lot to give up but on a maxed out healing amp paladin it seems like you'd get more out of the amp than 36 damage per hit alone. With MF's applicable content being squeezed moving forward I'm questioning whether the advantage of having all the applicable healing boosts slotted outweighs the damage especially given how hard it can be to slot everything you want given Turbine's new approach to new items providing stacking bonuses but few things clearly best-in-slot.

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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #1 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:22pm	Print Post
	CripFlames is still best DPS.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #2 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 2:24pm	Print Post
	Darkrok wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:14pm: It looks like if I take Dwarvencraft Healing Lore: Passive: Your Healing spells gain a +22% Equipment Bonus to their chance to Critical Hit that I'd also get a +2 to the enhancement bonus on the weapon. dont do it. you can get heal lorew from FoT gloves or Amrath helm. Dont waste phlogs on that. MF is still great, just not in "legendary content". Which is going to be less content over all. And pretty sure new shit will be OP because turbine hasnt a clue how to design games and cannot sell it otherwise. Make your MF and when the new quests come grind for gsteel 2 and sentient.

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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #3 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	Till they nerf it.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #4 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:04am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 2:24pm: dont do it. you can get heal lorew from FoT gloves or Amrath helm. Dont waste phlogs on that. MF is still great, just not in "legendary content". Which is going to be less content over all. And pretty sure new shit will be OP because turbine hasnt a clue how to design games and cannot sell it otherwise. Make your MF and when the new quests come grind for gsteel 2 and sentient. Agreed. The other 3 T3 DPS abilities are still very good. Just keep in mind legendary grind is expected to be mostly vale 2.0, and vale is expected to be mostly fire immune.

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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #5 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:17am	Print Post
	TL;DR: wait for vale, then decide.


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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #6 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:05am	Print Post
	crunch wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:17am: TL;DR: wait for vale, then decide. Seconded. I'm doing just that for my own weapons I have yet to craft.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #7 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 1:15pm	Print Post
	crunch wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:17am: TL;DR: wait for vale, then decide. This seems like the best advice.

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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #8 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:45am	Print Post
	Draconic revigoration was already very good compared to mortal fear and I belive it is already best option if you are not TWF with balanced attacks or ranged with pin. There is a bug, when you cleave and it proc you get mutiple charges in boosts.� Also it needs red phlogiston and FotP is much faster to do than wyrm. Edit: if you are a THF paladin don't bother with any of that, just get a Riftmaker.
	« Last Edit: Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:47am by Vaultaccount »

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #9 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	Anything is better than devo crit chance really. Boost your hjeal amp, base devo spellpower, implement, more metas if you have spare feats, but you can never rely on crits when you have to hjeal yerself/someone else.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #10 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:18pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:45am: Draconic revigoration That procs now? Or is it just that I've never tested it on a melee weapon?

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #11 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 12:02am	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:18pm: That procs now? Or is it just that I've never tested it on a melee weapon? Procs fine on a melee weapon.


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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #12 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:49am	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:18pm: That procs now? Or is it just that I've never tested it on a melee weapon? It's always worked. The internal 100 second cool down makes it a bit annoying but the cleave proc is a solid way of recharging.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #13 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	I'm not sure there is any point in waiting for the vale.� If you have 30 shadow phlogs on a melee toon, your only choices are: Mortal Fear: On Hit: 8 to 64 Force Damage. In addition, 5% chance to cut non-boss foe's current health in half. 3rd Degree Burns: On Vorpal: 85 to 195 Fire Damage every 2 seconds for 10 seconds, and adds 1-5 stacks of Vulnerability. Crippling Flames: On Crit: 135 to 325 Fire Damage. On Hit: 5% chance to apply 2 Negative Levels. Leg Breaker: On Hit: 5% Chance Reflex Save -5, Trip Attempt. Mind Breaker: On Hit: 5% Chance Will Save -5, Hold Monster Attempt. Body Breaker: On Hit: 5% Chance Fortitude Save -5, Sunder Attempt. So, basically MF or two fire DPS options or three 5% (read Vorpal) chance to debuff/CC.� I'm not spending 30 phlogs on a 5% chance to do debuff/CC that has a save.� � You could make a case for the fire mobs being stronger than the force, but E-Vale is going to have a lot of fire immune mobs in it.� �Vulnerability is kinda nice to get stacking, but that's really the only redeeming option. MF is probably better just on the force damage on hit. So unless you think they are going to revise the crafting chart in the future and you have 30 shadow phlogs, MF will still be your best option.� �
	« Last Edit: Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:57pm by Asheras »

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #14 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	BTW, Options that use Fire Phlogs are interesting, but not really relevant since we are talking about what to do with the 30 shadow phlogs you have. Now, if you don't have 30, the question of giving up and doing something else makes perfect sense. At that point, BE and DR have value. BE is interesting because it is fire and Negative damage. DR is interesting for its indirect ability to recharge your haste boost and damage boost, etc. Stacked Hast Boost+Damage Boost is still one of the best ways to bring the serious hurt.


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #15 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Yeah, after looking at what's going on right now I think I'm actually going to sit on the phlogs. I don't need the weapon at the moment...going to hit 28 and either ETR again or likely finally do my ITR. I'll let the high level gear dance settle down a bit before I burn those phlogs. The ITR would buy me the time with my main in heroic levels to figure out what's going to work best out of the new stuff and then I can decide which direction to go.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #16 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 11:07pm	Print Post
	Draconic Reinvigoration is a hot swap at best. No reason to keep swinging it full time. Much content you don't even need recharges. Crippling Flames might be the best trash-clearer in Legendary though solely by virtue of the double neg level if mob HP bloats as much as I expect it to.

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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #17 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:31am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 11:07pm: Crippling Flames might be the best trash-clearer in Legendary though solely by virtue of the double neg level if mob HP bloats as much as I expect it to. Was thinking this as well. Was there a cool down on the neg levels or just random 5%?


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #18 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:39am	Print Post
	Galadriel wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:31am: Was thinking this as well. Was there a cool down on the neg levels or just random 5%? Haven't used one of those much to date. Would be good to know if anyone has.

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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: MF still best T3 for a Paladin? Reply #19 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 7:00am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:39am: Haven't used one of those much to date. Would be good to know if anyone has. Will play around with it over the weekend if nobody knows. Duped mats come in handy on the characters that have them


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