Well the DC is quite excellent

(Will save vs. DC 20 + Wisdom modifier + Enchantment Spell Bonuses) On Save: -10% Movement and Attack speed.

Let's talk Enchantment DC bonuses:

+3: Banishing, Smiting, and Terror Arrows: Passive - +1 bonus to DC of Enchantment Spells
+5: Frost Arrows: Your arrows gain On Critical Hit: Target gains 1 stack of Lethargy (You have -1 to all Saving throws. Non-bosses also move and attack 5% slower. This effect stacks up to 5 times.)

That's 8 from AA.

Sepllsinger:

+1-4 for Core enahncements (requiring 3-18 Bard levels)
+2: Haunting Melody: You rework Fascinate with haunting notes, intoxicating yet unnerving. Fascinated creatures are Haunted for (20/40/60) seconds. Haunted: -2 on all Saving Throws, Skill checks and attack rolls
+1: Yellow Marigold Crown: +1 to DC's of Enchantment spells.
+2: Enthrallment: Cooldown: 10 seconds Expend a use of Bardic Music to enthrall multiple enemies. Enthralled enemies stop what they're doing and have a chance of breaking free when damaged. Enthralled enemies suffer a -2 penalty to attack rolls and Will saves for 24 seconds plus 6 seconds per bard level, even after being disrupted from their reverie.
This ability uses a Perform check as Will save DC.
+1: (Not sure this counts on Arrows but should) Spell Song Trance: Cooldown: 10 seconds
Expend a use of Bardic Music to grant a +1 morale bonus to spell DC's and 10% morale discount on spell point costs to you and all nearby allies for 24 seconds plus 6 seconds per bard level.
And Tier 5 Spellsinger can give you another 2, but you lose Lethargy from T5 AA.

That's almost 16 DC from 4 tiers of Spell singer and 5 of AA (2 from SS cores). Add to that Equipment bonuses to Enchantment:
+6: Thunderforged Focus
+2: Augment Enchantment DC

And Feats and PLs:
+1 Wizard PL
+1 Bard PL
+1/2/3 Spell Focus Feats
+3: Twist

Misc:
+1 Ship Buff
+1 Profane (TF armor).

So...
+31-33 + 20 + 18 (48 Wsdom)= ~70 Enchant DC.

It's not shenanigans. Don't forget, you can Mind Fog and other Debuff for even more.

Cool Build.

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You dont need to run those stances, the enhancements give passive bonuses, you just need to train them. But point taken on Mass Hold, he obviously didn't have T5 AA for Lethargy then. What ED was he running? Do you recall? I imagine Shiradi for Nerve Venom would be ideal, but who knows.

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Was thinking the throw rate on chucker could make this really interesting even with Bard, since it's not about DPS, just procs. Definitely interested to see final build. Also EA has a SoundBurst SLA too doesnt it?

And he was squishy as hell around 700 hp.

Yeah it's a very specific build, a monk would be good as well got to be less squishy. The Bowbard would be useless solo.

But if you don't go the bard route you will lose DC, best case scenario you lose 14 and that's assuming you still grab the proper feats that are not really monkish.

I caught up with the builder, he is waiting until after the update goes live before sharing the build. which I can understand, no one wants to lose something before it even goes live because you talked about a neat advantage the Devs hadn't thought of. 

His baseline Arrow DC's are 85 at cap, which includes the Banishing, terror, smite, and of course Paralyze. I'm looking forward to trying one out when Lamma is up.

gibbon wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:


Yeah Monk or Bard version would be better RoF. To Forests point DC is best on Bard, but its not nesc. insurmountable on Monk, esp with much better RoF.

I'll wait for the final build just to have a look. Red Named DPS is still my biggest concern and not at all irrelevant.

I'm not seeing a loss of 14 but ok. I have trouble counting that high with my shoes on.

It just strikes me as nice synergy that on the 10k version wis would contribute directly to the paralyze dc and the ranged power boost. One stat for CC and dps.

I like bards and throwers it just feels like building this kind of cc onto one is like building more healing onto a cleric.

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 12:56am:


qft

DC and AC are dead

Heh. The dps is actually fairly soliddepending on how you build.

I did a Ranger focused version of this after reading the thread, I went

11 Ranger, 7 bard, 2 rogue.

26 AA,
32 SS
6   Human
16 SB

Feats
Exalted angle
Twists
+3 enchant, +3 fear, +20% ranged speed, extra action boosts.

Mostly ran terror arrow alternating with Paralyzers. Manyshot, and doublshot boost from SB, pluse a walking around doubleshot of 49%.

I didn't try to buff others much, just kept myself healed blur, hasted, etc.. and cracked off shots. I took the Rogue levs solely for the evasion. If you stick with just a bow you can alternate between types really quickly.

My DCs were right around 80 and I could get them to 86 for 30 secs at a time. That's without debuffing stuff. Keep in mind everything is a will save, it's all counted as enchant, except the second PK roll, that is still a fort save, I was able to confirm that by then end of the night. I used dispel shot a bunch, but have found that the imbue doesn't work on dispel shot, shattermantly, resonant attack, etc... only regular shots now.

I scared the shit out of a lot of stuff. I was able to scare almost everything, including undead but the PK wouldn't work on the dead even though the Terror did.

The banish was handy with the paralyze as well, but again red named the toon was pretty useless, the cost to dps to get the DCs high enough prevent much damage otherwise.

If Lamma was still up I would try a chucker version.

I'm running a variation of Bard ranged myself, thus far pretty fun and effective. At 29 should cap tonight or tomorrow, and after I have current gear and build stats I'll post.

Yes the achievable DCs are pretty impressive, but you have to sacrifice a lot of durability and utility to do it.

I spend the majority of my time chanting "2o, 20, give me a 20" Averages about 6.1 seconds between every Vorpal (not counting IPS which can make it shorter) Definitely a change of pace.

Had a couple people call it a kill steal build.... which I'm fine with