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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #50 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:05pm: Why do you guys keep responding to someone who's clearly being an intentional troll? I don't know why I bother: Ash and Ser are clearly trying to troll me, and I was just trying to get them to think about some ideas they may not have previously considered.�
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palmer01 VoD Slasher Offline Paladin Slayer Posts: 1737 Location: Los Angeles Joined: Apr 14^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #51 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Nothing positive or supportive comes from dice man, I've told you folks that and it's in my sig; buyer beware!
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #52 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	palmer01 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Nothing positive or supportive comes from dice man, I've told you folks that and it's in my dig; buyer beware! Another Remi sock trying to stir the pot and get the trolls going; why do I even bother anymore?


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #53 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	palmer01 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Nothing positive or supportive comes from dice man, I've told you folks that and it's in my sig; buyer beware! ideas on what 2 feats could do better?


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #54 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm: ideas on what 2 feats could do better? better for what?


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palmer01 VoD Slasher Offline Paladin Slayer Posts: 1737 Location: Los Angeles Joined: Apr 14^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #55 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	Im still not home so I'll probably look it over in the morning. Ash/glad/5foot probably have insight too but I'll refrain until I can look more over.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #56 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	I have a question since a bunch of math is being thrown around in here. Power attack vs Precision on a monk. Yes, I run LE a lot and I do run into difficulty hitting mobs (grazing hits, i never actually miss them) sometimes. Comparison: Power attack +.5W to handwraps bringing them to 10.3W (improved PA) (1d8) + 5 dmg Standing 86 melee power standing 41% double strike Base dmg +64 Precision same doublestrike and melee power +5% to hit -25% fort to mobs 9.8W handwraps (1d8) Base dmg is 59 My to hit is 80. If you need more numbers for math lemme know, I also use whirlwind ALOT. With someone bringing up the comparison between the two, and realizing I don't need power attack for overwhelming critical anymore...

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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #57 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:12pm: I have a question since a bunch of math is being thrown around in here. Power attack vs Precision on a monk. Yes, I run LE a lot and I do run into difficulty hitting mobs (grazing hits, i never actually miss them) sometimes. Comparison: Power attack +.5W to handwraps bringing them to 10.3W (improved PA) (1d8) + 5 dmg Standing 86 melee power standing 41% double strike Base dmg +64 Precision same doublestrike and melee power +5% to hit -25% fort to mobs 9.8W handwraps (1d8) Base dmg is 59 My to hit is 80. If you need more numbers for math lemme know, I also use whirlwind ALOT. With someone bringing up the comparison between the two, and realizing I don't need power attack for overwhelming critical anymore... if you miss on a 3 then you would gain dps from precision on a 0 fort mob. with any fort precision would always win. id go precision. i just missed the book on a 116 on lh. 6+110
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #58 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:35pm: if you have a 80 to hit then precision. i miss with 125. You're going to miss 5% of the time no matter what when you roll a 1: hard is math?


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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #59 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 12:58am	Print Post
	Well since you're already ditching PA for Precision, won't go into that. Why Max over Emp Heal? I don't see you having much over 1k SP and I'm running a similar gear setup so with KtA and Maxed + Quickened cures, you'll run out of SP fairly quickly. I know I do but I also pull agro fairly easily as well as not using KtA. Happen to know the % proc rate and duration of Affirmation? Been considering it for a while now as a way to buff up HP to be able to tank more without having to play pinball with mobs but can't decide without a bit more accurate data. Dodge line doesn't give MP so can pick up Dodge and call it a day if you only need a tiny bit to hit your cap. Is there a need for Stunning Blow when you already have Dire Charge and Balanced Attacks? I never liked it due to the break in animation and the long cool down it has. I see mobs being stunned/dead by the time you can use Charge again. Are you hot swapping weapon sets to break DR on bosses? I don't see you're DPS being very high with all the DR mobs have with that weapon set.


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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #60 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:03am	Print Post
	@Epoch Hit is a bit of a funky stat as it's both the most crucial and the most useless stat we have. Nothing gives you better gains in DPS than hit until you reach the stage where you only ever miss on 1's. However once you reach that mark, hit becomes absolutely useless. I would say go with Precision and stick with that until your hit increase to the point where you no longer miss.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #61 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:34am	Print Post
	Galadriel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 12:58am: Well since you're already ditching PA for Precision, won't go into that. Why Max over Emp Heal? I don't see you having much over 1k SP and I'm running a similar gear setup so with KtA and Maxed + Quickened cures, you'll run out of SP fairly quickly. I know I do but I also pull agro fairly easily as well as not using KtA. Happen to know the % proc rate and duration of Affirmation? Been considering it for a while now as a way to buff up HP to be able to tank more without having to play pinball with mobs but can't decide without a bit more accurate data. Dodge line doesn't give MP so can pick up Dodge and call it a day if you only need a tiny bit to hit your cap. Is there a need for Stunning Blow when you already have Dire Charge and Balanced Attacks? I never liked it due to the break in animation and the long cool down it has. I see mobs being stunned/dead by the time you can use Charge again. Are you hot swapping weapon sets to break DR on bosses? I don't see you're DPS being very high with all the DR mobs have with that weapon set. Thunderforged for DR targets. Working on a set on Mineral 2s. I'm thinking Min 2s will be the best DR breaker, and should bypass everything besides the stupid rakshasha. Affirmation is once a minute. Affirmation is AMAZING. I have bauble, eross, eTwisted, Twisted, archivists, and RoSS on this character. SP isnt an issue. Not 100% sold on precision vs PA. Would love to debate it. My to hit is fine, except for raid bosses, and LE bosses. Missed the book on a 110+6. I need to see how many targets end game have fortification. I think stunning blow is worth it, yes. I use it on priority targets that save on dire charge, or the caster that isnt with the group I just stunned. I find it useful.
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Galadriel DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 419 Location: Middle Earth Joined: May 20^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #62 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 3:21am	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:34am: Thunderforged for DR targets. Working on a set on Mineral 2s. I'm thinking Min 2s will be the best DR breaker, and should bypass everything besides the stupid rakshasha. Affirmation is once a minute. Affirmation is AMAZING. I have bauble, eross, eTwisted, Twisted, archivists, and RoSS on this character. SP isnt an issue. Not 100% sold on precision vs PA. Would love to debate it. My to hit is fine, except for raid bosses, and LE bosses. Missed the book on a 110+6. I need to see how many targets end game have fortification. I think stunning blow is worth it, yes. I use it on priority targets that save on dire charge, or the caster that isnt with the group I just stunned. I find it useful. Min 2 is imo the best DR breaker. Rakshasa is DR Piercing so take out a bow. He has no other forms of DR. I know Affirmation is once a minute. The question was how long does the temp HP last and what the proc chance of Affirmation is. Also can it proc even if you hit for 0 damage as I remember that Reinvigoration wouldn't if you hit for no damage? Fair enough on the SP although I find I run out and I have the same set except base RoSS. Granted that is only when I'm solo/duo/trioing and I take the place of the healer during combat. I should stop teaming up with rogues who have terrible SP lol. I haven't tested myself but noticing from Sneak Attacks alone that LE mobs tend to have some form of Fortification. If I were to take a guess I'd say its in the 50% but an Archer with Sniper Shot isn't the best testing method. I still prefer Precision of PA so I don't have to twist in stuff for bosses but you can always dump that 2nd WF and take up Precision and just go with whichever is needed. Fair enough on Stunning Blow.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #63 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 3:57am	Print Post
	Galadriel wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 3:21am: Min 2 is imo the best DR breaker. Rakshasa is DR Piercing so take out a bow. He has no other forms of DR. I know Affirmation is once a minute. The question was how long does the temp HP last and what the proc chance of Affirmation is. Also can it proc even if you hit for 0 damage as I remember that Reinvigoration wouldn't if you hit for no damage? Fair enough on the SP although I find I run out and I have the same set except base RoSS. Granted that is only when I'm solo/duo/trioing and I take the place of the healer during combat. I should stop teaming up with rogues who have terrible SP lol. I haven't tested myself but noticing from Sneak Attacks alone that LE mobs tend to have some form of Fortification. If I were to take a guess I'd say its in the 50% but an Archer with Sniper Shot isn't the best testing method. I still prefer Precision of PA so I don't have to twist in stuff for bosses but you can always dump that 2nd WF and take up Precision and just go with whichever is needed. Fair enough on Stunning Blow. temp hp lasts 1 minutes also. it basically re procs immediately. ya im gonna go precision.


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palmer01 VoD Slasher Offline Paladin Slayer Posts: 1737 Location: Los Angeles Joined: Apr 14^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #64 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:48am	Print Post
	Like gala indicated you can drop one of the Wf and keep pa


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palmer01 VoD Slasher Offline Paladin Slayer Posts: 1737 Location: Los Angeles Joined: Apr 14^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #65 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:51am	Print Post
	The last WF could be swapped out for a past life feat. Was Looking at warlock as I never heard anyone talk about it. No save on confusion sounds interesting. Just saying there are more interesting feats other then wf you can apply
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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #66 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:05am	Print Post
	palmer01 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:51am: The last EF could be swapped out for a past life feat. Was Looking at warlock as I never heard anyone talk about it. No save on confusion sounds interesting. Just saying there are more interesting feats other then wf you can apply ya could swap WF Ranged for Precision. Good call. Edited.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #67 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:45am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:23pm: I don't know why I bother: Ash and Ser are clearly trying to troll me, and I was just trying to get them to think about some ideas they may not have previously considered.� You are talking about stuff that has been identified ad nauseum here and on the mobos for years. The Elf-Scim-FvS-Kensai build is not news. You think people aren't talking about it because its some great build that's a big secret but really we aren't talking about it because it's old news. Newer stuff has surpassed it. It's like you are talking about how great how great The Bloodstone is. Nobody disagrees it was best in slot for melees for years. Not that it's a bad build. It will still perform decently. But it's not going to outperform a Ranger 20.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #68 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:55am	Print Post
	Plan to do 3 gnome lives, and then back to this build. Probably transferring to Khyber also..
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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #69 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:09am	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:55am: Plan to do 3 gnome lives, and then back to this build. Probably transferring to Khyber also.. Why not Cannith?.....waiting for punchline.....


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #70 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:21am	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:09am: Why not Cannith?.....waiting for punchline..... Want to try other servers to freshen up the game some. Was looking at Khyber and Argo. Was invited to some of the chat channels for raids on Khyber so probably going to do Khyber.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #71 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:55am	Print Post
	I'm gonna roll through 3 gnome lives on two of mine as well. Then get them back to raiding.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #72 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 12:43pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:55am: I'm gonna roll through 3 gnome lives on two of mine as well.� Then get them back to raiding. Yep. 9MRR is a lot when you take into consideration that your MRR stat is inherently lower. I have around 120 PRR but only 63ish MRR.


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Yojimbo Ex Member	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #73 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:55am: I'm gonna roll through 3 gnome lives on two of mine as well.� Then get them back to raiding. What kind of Gnome lives?


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1109 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergod - Human Khopesh 20 Ranger Reply #74 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:54pm	Print Post
	Quote: What kind of Gnome lives? Iconic. 3mrr passive and 5 acid spellpower 1 illusion dc active. both stack up to 3 times.
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