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Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Apr 26th, 2016 at 4:38pm
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I'm curious about what the resident shuriken build experts think would be the best offhander for a 12/6/2 Ranger/Monk/Fighter Fury Shuri build.

I'm currently using a MF TF shuriken.  For enhancements, I use a mix of sneak attack die and AA acid elemental imbues so ranged power and corrosion spell power are both beneficial.

The ToEE offhander and set bonus provides a total of 197 (156+21+20) spell power for the imbues plus 20 ranged power.  If I switched to a triple dex LGS offhander, I would gain 8 Dex but lose the spell and ranged power.  I might be able to slot corrosion spell power elsewhere or use an aug but it would still be a net loss to total spell and ranged power.  I most likely be stuck shuffling gear around and have to give up another stat or useful effect in the process.

Thoughts on which of these two is the better option or is there better alternative?

On a related note, which, if any, of the LGS tier 3 bonus effect procs work on shurikens from the offhand?

Any gear suggestions would be welcomed, too.  I have access to pretty much any of the end-game named items.

Current Gear:
  • Goggles:  Epic Glimpse of the Soul
  • Helmet:  Sightless
  • Neck:  Necklace of Mystic Eidolons
  • Trinket:  Epic Litany of the Dead
  • Armor:  ToEE robe
  • Cloak:  Mysterious Cloak (lvl 21)
  • Wrists:  Epic Ethereal Bracers
  • Waist:  Belt of Braided Beards
  • Ring1:  Strange Tidings
  • Boots:  Boots of Blessed Travels
  • Hands:  EE Backstabber's Gloves
  • Ring2:  EE Consuming Darkness
  • Quiver:  Epic Dynamistic Quiver
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:26pm
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Legendary ash with 15 dex + 7 insightful dex IMO.  It's great for trash killing and it means you no longer need to slot vulnerability on thunderforged for bosses. 
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:31pm
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You have no monk levels. The extra attacks from net dex gain will not compete with what you lose from ToEE.
  

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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #3 - Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:53pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:31pm:
You have no monk levels. The extra attacks from net dex gain will not compete with what you lose from ToEE.

Oops.   Mental derp moment.  Was reading a posts about rogues right before that. 

12/6/2 Ranger/Monk/Fighter.  OP updated to the correct class split and include the gear layout.
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #4 - Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:11pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 5:26pm:
Legendary ash with 15 dex + 7 insightful dex IMO.  It's great for trash killing and it means you no longer need to slot vulnerability on thunderforged for bosses. 

Were you thinking of Vacuum instead of Ash?  Since Ash doesn't stack according to the wiki, it seems pretty lackluster.  Actually, the wiki says it stacks and then says it doesn't, so not 100% sure.  Vacuum seems to be the closest effect to 1st Degree Burns on TF.

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Legendary Ash - Attacks and offensive spells have a 50% chance to reduce enemy MRR and Universal Spell Power. This penalty stacks. As of u29, this is a non-stacking debuff of -7MRR and -20USP. MRR does not go negative, so it provides no additional magic damage on most enemies.


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Legendary Vacuum - Attacks and offensive spells have a [100%] chance to inflict multiple [6-7] stacks of Vulnerable.
  
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #5 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 8:33am
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Digimonk wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 6:11pm:
Were you thinking of Vacuum instead of Ash?  Since Ash doesn't stack according to the wiki, it seems pretty lackluster.  Actually, the wiki says it stacks and then says it doesn't, so not 100% sure.  Vacuum seems to be the closest effect to 1st Degree Burns on TF.



Right vacuum, my bad.
  
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #6 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:42am
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AtomicMew wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 8:33am:
Right vacuum, my bad. 

The downside to making a Vacuum LGS offhander is that it can't be triple dex.  Giving up either the +15 or +7 dex bonuses would be a net loss of 3 dex with my current gear setup.  That's a pretty big hit considering how important Dex is for shuri builds.
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #7 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 5:15pm
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Digimonk wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:42am:
The downside to making a Vacuum LGS offhander is that it can't be triple dex.  Giving up either the +15 or +7 dex bonuses would be a net loss of 3 dex with my current gear setup.  That's a pretty big hit considering how important Dex is for shuri builds.


For some reason I thought you could get both +15 and +7, but you're right.  I still think the proc effect is strong enough to be worth it.  Against trash mobs, getting full vulnerability stack is a big ass multiplier of +20% on all your damage.  Against raid bosses, you could swap to a triple dex offhand (assuming someone else has vulnerability). 

Btw, what are you using for enhancement and insight dex bonuses in your current setup?
  
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #8 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:16pm
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If you dont have +14/+6 dex gear at least, then yes I vote LGS. If you do have the dex gear which is relatively easy to find (I had many on main before canceling my accts) then I say ToEE set.
  
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 11:26pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 5:15pm:
For some reason I thought you could get both +15 and +7, but you're right.  I still think the proc effect is strong enough to be worth it.  Against trash mobs, getting full vulnerability stack is a big ass multiplier of +20% on all your damage.  Against raid bosses, you could swap to a triple dex offhand (assuming someone else has vulnerability). 

Btw, what are you using for enhancement and insight dex bonuses in your current setup? 

Strange Tidings - +12 Enhancement bonus
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #10 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 11:30pm
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harharharhar wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:16pm:
If you dont have +14/+6 dex gear at least, then yes I vote LGS. If you do have the dex gear which is relatively easy to find (I had many on main before canceling my accts) then I say ToEE set.

Do you know which of the tier 3 bonus procs from an offhander work with shurikens?
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2016 at 10:06pm
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Digimonk wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 4:38pm:
curious about what  would be the best offhander for a 12/6/2 Ranger/Monk/Fighter Fury Shuri build.


A GxB & 18 levs of mech.
  
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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
Reply #13 - Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:21pm
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Dunno about best (who can be bothered to calc when best isn't needed) but Celestia offhand is still fun.
  
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Reply #14 - May 3rd, 2016 at 12:05pm
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Digimonk wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 11:30pm:
Do you know which of the tier 3 bonus procs from an offhander work with shurikens?

According to my test on current U31 Lamannia Server build, LGS '+15dex/+7dex/+2dex' Weapon Tie 3 Bonus Effect 'Legendary Incineration' or 'Legendary Air Strike' doesn't work as offhander of shurikens. And 'Legendary Vacuum' doesn't work as offhander of shurikens too.
  
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Reply #15 - May 3rd, 2016 at 4:02pm
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FlameDragon wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 12:05pm:
According to my test on current U31 Lamannia Server build, LGS '+15dex/+7dex/+2dex' Weapon Tie 3 Bonus Effect 'Legendary Incineration' or 'Legendary Air Strike' doesn't work as offhander of shurikens. And 'Legendary Vacuum' doesn't work as offhander of shurikens too.

Bummer.  Thank you for testing those. 
  
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Reply #16 - May 22nd, 2016 at 8:17am
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How bout legendary ooze?
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 2nd, 2016 at 9:09am
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ElGuapo wrote on May 22nd, 2016 at 8:17am:
How bout legendary ooze?


Yeah I'm thinking ooze as a offhander.   Anyone confirm it works with a shuri?
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 2nd, 2016 at 3:43pm
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The downside to an L Ooze LGS offhander on a Shuri build is that it requires an earth/water combo for tiers 1-3.  That limits your choice to Str, Con, or Wis which is nowhere near as good as  a 15/7/2 Dex item.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 2nd, 2016 at 4:22pm
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ToEE is where it's at. 201 spell power + 24 ranged power + Riposte XII + Purple Slot.
  

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Re: Best Offhander for a Fury Shuri?
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 4:22pm:
ToEE is where it's at. 201 spell power + 24 ranged power + Riposte XII + Purple Slot.



I'll look at that.  She already has Epic TOEE robe.  I have the mats for a short sword so.
  
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Reply #21 - Jun 2nd, 2016 at 4:38pm
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She currently has a mortal fear SS, crippling flames, and I forget the other one.  I just TR'd her so those will have to wait.  She has a LGS mineral shuri already. 

Recommendations of LGS weapon for off hand?

I don't get to play much anymore. Been really busy, but on vacation for two weeks starting next week. One week in FLA, the other sitting on my arse.
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 2nd, 2016 at 7:19pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 4:22pm:
ToEE is where it's at. 201 spell power + 24 ranged power + Riposte XII + Purple Slot.

Have to agree.   

After quite a bit of testing, the 20+ ranged power and 47 additional spell power you get from the ToEE set bonus vs the 6 to 8 Dex from a 15/7/2 Dex LGS offhander is better, especially if you are using the Arcane Archer imbues.

Make an Air/Neg/Air Vacuum LGS shuriken and roll with the ToEE robe + ToEE caster offhander.  It  works really well.

  
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