New build idea : 10 bard / 6 fighter / 4 rogue with 10 bard providing 10 % movement speed, access to lvl 4 spells, 6 fighter for strike with no thought and 4 rogue due to killer. Enhancement wise, i would choose to spend 1 Ap into human (racial boost), 33 swashbuckler (exploit weaknes + coup de grace), 11 kensei (+1 crit multi), 23 assassin (killer), 6 stalwart (stance +25 prr and mrr) and 6 harper (kta).

strike with no thought is going to be nerfed.

Handaxe for Dreadnaught.
Light Pick for Divine Crusader.

Yes, it will be changed from Insight bonus to Competence.  The Competence bonus will still apply to handaxes and light picks, as Swashbuckling does not give a multiplier to these.

5 Foot Step wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 1:32pm:

Still doesn't come any close to twf 20 ranger or 15/5 paladin/ranger builds though, dps wise.

Lelouch wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Change it to 8Druid/6Ranger/6Fighter.

we've been thinking 12 fighter / 7 bard / 1 FvS of the handaxe variety

am not seeing the dps being comprable to TWF Ranger though---even with KTA/Divine Might

don't get me wrong

thread the needle is worth like 2 threat and is BA

Lelouch wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 1:32am:


6 ranger was for ITWF, +1 saves and an extra spell. 9/6/5 would be the way to go if it works, but nothing ever works with unarmed so I'm not going to bother testing it since it specifies it is for weapons.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

I'm going to assume you're talking about Exploit Weakness (+threat on noncrit) and not Thread the Needle (+5dmg w/ precision).

Exploit weakness is good, but not 2 range good. The numbers are as follows (assuming SB, appropriate IC:

In LD:
Lt Picks get an extra 8.5% chance to crit (1.7 range ~15.3-18x5, 19-20x7)
Handaxes get an extra 6% (1.2 range ~ 13.8-18x4, 19-20x7)
Lt Maces get fucked for only 2.5% because EW doesn't stack with Pulverizer. (13.5-18x3,19-20x5)
NB: Lt Mace is only 0.3 points better crit profile for FAR WORSE damage.

In DC:
Lt Picks get an extra 7% chance to crit (1.4 range ~ 14.8-18x5, 19-20x6)
Handaxes get an extra 5% (1 range ~ 13-18x4, 19-20x5)

Also, as it turns out, lt picks are worse than handaxes in LD and probably also in DC thanks to on-crit procs (resonant arms is at least one you're an idiot not to have if you have EW) and worse base weapon dice.