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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Soliciting a wolf build May 17^th, 2016 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	Never done one. I know they rock. Best survivable and dps build? I run only EE/LE on the toon I'll do it on. My main. Tired of destroying stuff with my ranger build. Want something different.


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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #1 - May 17^th, 2016 at 4:51pm	Print Post
	If your ranger's a melee, not much will change.


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #2 - May 17^th, 2016 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	WeHaveLived wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 4:51pm: If your ranger's a melee, not much will change. Yeah he is melee. I'm just bored. Want something I haven't done as in builds.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #3 - May 17^th, 2016 at 6:44pm	Print Post
	there is the most common 9dr 6rng 4ftr for stance. there is tilo's rogue wolf with very high dps and some defense there is the monk wolf with the highest dps but worse defenses of the three

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #4 - May 18^th, 2016 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1430127586/99#99

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #5 - May 18^th, 2016 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 1:09pm: http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1430127586/99#99 Lotta things wrong with that build, I think. An example would be the kind of damage a toon does in Wolf form. If SWF with a scimitar in one hand and an orb in the other, it does slashing damage so your WF, WS, IWF and GWS should be slashing, not blunt.
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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #6 - May 18^th, 2016 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	From the wiki: "Feats that grant bonuses to Unarmed weapons, such as Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning will apply to your natural weapons."


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #7 - May 18^th, 2016 at 6:40pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 4:23pm: Lotta things wrong with that build, I think. An example would be the kind of damage a toon does in Wolf form. If SWF with a scimitar in one hand and an orb in the other, it does slashing damage so your WF, WS, IWF and GWS should be slashing, not blunt. False. Wildshape always counts as unarmed, regardless of what you equip.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #8 - May 18^th, 2016 at 10:02pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 6:40pm: False. Wildshape always counts as unarmed, regardless of what you equip. Then why does the dummy take Slashing damage while I'm in Wolf form, hmm?
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Razaghan Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 44 Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2013	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #9 - May 19^th, 2016 at 7:34am	Print Post
	Wolf: Transform into a wolf. While in Wolf form, your base attack speed is 30% faster, you gain a +3 bonus to attack while flanking, +1d6 sneak attack damage, and a +10% enhancement bonus to movement speed. While in wolf form, you gain access to a number of spells and enhancements that require Wolf form, but the cooldowns on your non-animal form spells are increased to 2.5 times their normal length. Your natural attacks do 1d6 damage, do both piercing and slashing damage, and Critically hit for double damage on a roll of 19-20.


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ElGuapo Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 215 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2014	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #10 - May 19^th, 2016 at 7:38am	Print Post
	The dummy takes slashing/piercing damage from white wolf as per his natural weapons. HOWEVER All unarmed (includes monk, bear, wolf, tree) is coded as blunt for weapon feat purposes. So even though you have a scimmy (slash) that's over-rided when you enter wolf form (now dealing slash/pierce) and THAT is over-rided by your "unarmed status" and therefore only weapon focus bludgeon, imp-crit bludgeon etc will work. It's fucked up coding. Welcome to turbine. That being said, if you want to test yourself, slot in improved crit slash and take a run with your wolf at the dummy and see what kind of numbers your crit on. Gonna be 19-20 same as any base wolf. Now try imp-crit bludgeon. All of a sudden your 17-20. I didn't believe it till I tested it. Why don't you try some testing too? Saves on online angst with idiots like me on the forums.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #11 - May 19^th, 2016 at 7:49am	Print Post
	ElGuapo wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 7:38am: The dummy takes slashing/piercing damage from white wolf as per his natural weapons.� HOWEVER All unarmed (includes monk, bear, wolf, tree) is coded as blunt for weapon feat purposes.� So even though you have a scimmy (slash) that's over-rided when you enter wolf form (now dealing slash/pierce) and THAT is over-rided by your "unarmed status" and therefore only weapon focus bludgeon, imp-crit bludgeon etc will work.� It's fucked up coding.� Welcome to turbine.� That being said, if you want to test yourself, slot in improved crit slash and take a run with your wolf at the dummy and see what kind of numbers your crit on.� �Gonna be 19-20 same as any base wolf.� �Now try imp-crit bludgeon.� All of a sudden your 17-20.� I didn't believe it till I tested it.� � Why don't you try some testing too?� � Saves on online angst with idiots like me on the forums. Well said


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #12 - May 19^th, 2016 at 9:58am	Print Post
	ElGuapo wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 7:38am: Why don't you try some testing too? Better yet, read the in game description tooltip of Improved Critical Budgeoning.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #13 - May 19^th, 2016 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	ElGuapo wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 7:38am: That being said, if you want to test yourself, slot in improved crit slash and take a run with your wolf at the dummy and see what kind of numbers your crit on.� �Gonna be 19-20 same as any base wolf.� �Now try imp-crit bludgeon.� All of a sudden your 17-20.� I just finished up some testing a few mins ago. With Improved Crit: Slashing, my crit chances, indeed, only happened on a 19 or 20. I then switched out Improved Crit: Slashing for Improved Crit: Bludgeoning. Crits ONLY happened on 18-20. My guess is when they changed the way Improved Critical worked, the Wolves' Unarmed was treated the way Monk's Unarmed was treated and only increased the threat range by one.� Every 17 rolled in the Combat Log read like an 11, 15, or 6...not a critical chance. 5 Foot Step wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:58am: Better yet, read the in game description tooltip of Improved Critical Budgeoning. Just did that. Yep, it seems only a one number increase in crit threat range was intended in Animal form. Ugh.
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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #14 - May 19^th, 2016 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	Yeah they broke that on release of the changes and it ain't fixed yet, iirc.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #15 - May 19^th, 2016 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 12:18pm: I just finished up some testing a few mins ago. With Improved Crit: Slashing, my crit chances, indeed, only happened on a 19 or 20. I then switched out Improved Crit: Slashing for Improved Crit: Bludgeoning. Crits ONLY happened on 18-20. My guess is when they changed the way Improved Critical worked, the Wolves' Unarmed was treated the way Monk's Unarmed was treated and only increased the threat range by one.� Every 17 rolled in the Combat Log read like an 11, 15, or 6...not a critical chance. Just did that. Yep, it seems only a one number increase in crit threat range was intended in Animal form. Ugh. It is known.

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Tilo Ex Member	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #16 - May 19^th, 2016 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	12 Arti, 4 Sorc, 4 Druid Shape-shift into a wolf, then just nuke everything to death with a combination of AT lightning SLAs, Sorc lightning SLAs, and druid call lightning SLA. Air Savant 23 AP Electric Loop AT 34 Lightning Motes SLA NW 23 Call Lightning SLA Run in magister > evo mastery,evo augmentation with Air dragon +3 caster levels, Air Dragon augmentation, cocoon twisted. Add in some arcane augmentation and evocation augmentation from Abishai set and you will be good to go. The -20 saves from air/evo augmentation means you should be fine regardless of caster stat of SLAs.
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WeHaveLived Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 945 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #17 - May 19^th, 2016 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	Why would wolf be necessary for that build? To pee on light crystals?


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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #18 - May 19^th, 2016 at 8:12pm	Print Post
	Thanks all. I'll tr this weekend, maybe tonight. Run to 7 and stone to 20. A friend was nice enough to pass me a stone, due to the fact the bastards got my mule account with tons of them. I appreciate the help. You guys are knowledgable and I respect you opinions on builds. Especially something I've never bothered to do in 10+ years playing.


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Tilo Ex Member	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #19 - May 20^th, 2016 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	WeHaveLived wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:00pm: Why would wolf be necessary for that build? To pee on light crystals? I sorta want to make the bear version, so that I can stack bear form with CE and a shield for tons of AC.Plus the not insignificant bonus of out killing everyone else in the party on a bear.Plus I could make a WF character and heal with repair in heroics, and shapeshift to heal with cocoon in epics 20-29, and then swap back to master reconstruction at 30.
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painkiller Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 188 Joined: May 14^th, 2013	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #20 - May 20^th, 2016 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	Quote: 12 Arti, 4 Sorc, 4 Druid Shape-shift into a wolf, then just nuke everything to death with a combination of AT lightning SLAs, Sorc lightning SLAs, and druid call lightning SLA. Air Savant 23 AP Electric Loop AT 34 Lightning Motes SLA NW 23 Call Lightning SLA Run in magister > evo mastery,evo augmentation with Air dragon +3 caster levels, Air Dragon augmentation, cocoon twisted. Add in some arcane augmentation and evocation augmentation from Abishai set and you will be good to go. The -20 saves from air/evo augmentation means you should be fine regardless of caster stat of SLAs. have you ran this yet? I saw you post this (at least I think it was you) on the mobo and thought it was one of those builds that looked good on paper, but wasn't sure how it would work in the "real world"


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Tilo Ex Member	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #21 - May 21^st, 2016 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	Nope, but I'm getting close to 20 to tr into it. Or a shuriken build. I want to run a terror shuriken build sometime.


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fork Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 285 Joined: Jan 16^th, 2014	Re: Soliciting a wolf build Reply #22 - May 22^nd, 2016 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Quote: Plus the not insignificant bonus of out killing everyone else in the party on a bear. Please make a vid. And chat quotes.


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