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Jun 4th, 2016 at 10:45pm
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Using vangaurd for combat style attack speed instead of SWF. Allows one to use a shield, combined with shield deflection for magical damage reduction and overall stronger defenses.

PDK 1 Fighter 2 Druid 17 Fighter
Dex 15, good str/con

1 PA, TWF, Shield Mastery
2
3 Wild Shape: Wolf, Completionist
4 WF: B
6 WS:B PL: Monk
8 ITWF
9 IC:B
10 Shield Deflection
12 ISM, GTWF
14 GWF: B
15 GWS: B
16 Heavy Armor Champ
18 Heavy Armor Master, Tactical Supremacy
20 Tactical Mastery
21 OC
24 PL Rogue
26 PTWF
27 Tactical Combatant
28 + SP
29 Dire Charge
30 Scion of Ethereal, Heavy Armor Combatant
30 Feat Swap: PA to Precision

Enhancements
3 Human HAMP
33 Kensai 60 MP, dmg, stuffs
31 StD Defensive Sweep
13 Vangaurd 5% AS, 6 MP

ED: US with BA/Sense Weakness or any with BA, consecrate, sacred ground
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #1 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 12:41am
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Don't let this turn you on, faggot!

  
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #2 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15am
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no heavy armor feats because you have to wear scalemail (medium) right?
  

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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #3 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:31am
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Using vangaurd for combat style attack speed instead of SWF. Allows one to use a shield, combined with shield deflection for magical damage reduction and overall stronger defenses.

when lam comes back up I will run this through the dummy along with pure kensei, and some sort of monk kensei. Not sure what build of monk kensei tho, 14 fighter, ranger 4, monk 2?

I'll trip boost so times will be faster.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15am:
no heavy armor feats because you have to wear scalemail (medium) right?

the feats are there. he's in heavy.
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Reply #4 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 12:40pm
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18 fighter 1 warlock (arcane warrior) 1 monk kensei, and black dragonplate
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #5 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 1:26pm
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18 fighter 1 warlock (arcane warrior) 1 monk kensei

Cool, I'll roll a few fighter builds then see where they're at. AP is 7 in shintao for deft strikes, 8 vanguard, 6 harper, 35 kensei, 1 in es, 1 in human, and rest of the ap in? Harper? Kensei might be more expensive than I am thinking.


12/6r/2m gets 100% offhand, manyshot option and seems better than 14xx split I posted above. Essentially gaining 2 feats in manyshot and itwf, exposing strike and +1 to saves over it.

Ap would be 23 for killer, 34 in kensei, 8 tempest(?), with 1 human, 8 in vanguard and 6 in harper. Tho I would be swapping out killer for more ap in tempest on kobold dummy.

  

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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #6 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:56pm
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18 fighter 1 warlock (arcane warrior) 1 monk kensei


Why the monk?
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:19pm
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WeHaveLived wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:56pm:
Why the monk?

centered, earth stance critical, deft strikes 10% off hand.
  

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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #8 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 3:02am
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Thanks, forgot about stances
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 2:53pm
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So with power surge + action boost con you get 5 hp/lvl every minute. Combined with 300 hp/min from shield of tireless aide, I can HEBB through quests without using any sort of activated healing.

I was down a total of 7 HP in HEBB Cabal for One solo.

AC from black dragonplate and shield combined with shield deflection + block energy past life + double MRR vs. reflex is pretty solid so far.
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Reply #10 - Jun 13th, 2016 at 1:13pm
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Touched up build.

Down some attack speed. Up to two targets hit. Higher defenses.
  
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #11 - Jun 13th, 2016 at 2:04pm
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So with power surge + action boost con you get 5 hp/lvl every minute. Combined with 300 hp/min from shield of tireless aide, I can HEBB through quests without using any sort of activated healing.

I was down a total of 7 HP in HEBB Cabal for One solo.

AC from black dragonplate and shield combined with shield deflection + block energy past life + double MRR vs. reflex is pretty solid so far.


Hi Tilo,

Seems like an interesting build. Once you get to lvl 30 could you pls post screen shots of PRR/MRR as I would be interested to see how this compares to normal 10/6/4 split.

Also how does this compare DPS wise to a 10/6/4 split?

Reason I ask is that a 10/6/4, as amazing as it is, is a bit squishy in Legendary Elite Shroud. With 200prr on a 10/6/4 I still get hit for about 1-1.2k by the trash.

I don't care for regular questing as any flavor build can rock LE quests, but LE raids, and specifically LE raids and meelee, is my concern.
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 13th, 2016 at 2:57pm
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Just stun them!

Or use US, since this build has MP built in.
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #13 - Jun 14th, 2016 at 4:58am
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Just stun them!

Or use US, since this build has MP built in.


I know i said the trash hits hard, but trash in Leg Elite Shroud I can handle. I guess I should have been a bit more clear.

Enter any meelee toon into part 2 with devil, cat, kobold etc (red named) and this is where, in my opinion, melee breaks down. They are not CC'able by a meelee. Will this toon be able to stand toe to toe with these guys? I have my doubts...as I don't think any meelee can...

Reason I am so keen on this is we have a static grp that run Leg Elite shroud every 3 days and even though we stomp it in like 32-35 mins my melee wolf always has most deaths (all in part 2) with about 4 deaths per run...and I want this down to 0 Smiley

Again I think this build seems great but I would like to know how many Leg Elite red name hits it can take Smiley


  
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #14 - Jun 14th, 2016 at 11:45am
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zoriaan wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 4:58am:
Again I think this build seems great but I would like to know how many Leg Elite red name hits it can take Smiley

Easy question to answer yourself.  It's just math.

Mob hits for a maximum of W.
Character has X DR.
Character has Y % damage reduction via PRR.
Character has Z HPs.

Z/(W-X-(Y*W)) = # of hits before soul stone.

This would be worst case scenario (aka all hits from mob are for max).  Use an average number instead of max possible for W to get a more realistic answer.

The practical answer though is that melee are mostly out of luck on LE Shroud mini bosses.  You're trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.  To min/max enough HPs, PRR and avoidance to do what you want, you'll have to give up a decent bit of DPS.  Not worth it for one mission out of the entire game imo.

Certain builds will always have advantages over other builds in a given set of content.  Thankfully, Turbine hasn't given up so completely that they just make all new content the same with different skins and backgrounds.

In LE Shroud's case, ranged and casters might have an easier time of it.  In other missions, melee do better.  Accept it and worry about building for the 90% rather than the 10%.

LE Shroud is the toughest end-game content in the game by intention and design.  It was made to kill people in 1-3 hits as part of the challenge.  Anything less would be too easy.  I'm glad there's at least a small amount of content that is not a snoozefest. 

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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #15 - Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm
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I just don't see the point in doing a Woof if you're not going to take NF and everything you can to boost it? That along with the availability of melee speed enhancements, People thought I was 1-shoting 99% of all EE content.

They just couldn't tell I was hitting the target a dozen times a second. Problems with Mobs? Then stop being an asshole thinking you have to run everything Solo...

Granted, the game exists to keep you occupied, but try to build a few social skills and join some groups for Pete sake.. if you're really all that awesome.. people will WANT you in their groups and seek you out
  
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #16 - Jun 14th, 2016 at 4:27pm
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Digimonk wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 11:45am:
LE Shroud is the toughest end-game content in the game by intention and design.  It was made to kill people in 1-3 hits as part of the challenge.  Anything less would be too easy.  I'm glad there's at least a small amount of content that is not a snoozefest. 



Hey DigiMonk,

I think you hit the nail on the head. I just need to accept the 3-5 deaths per run Smiley

I must say I like Leg Elite Shroud a lot. That one quest/difficulty has basically revived our guild and it is great to be in a static raid group again that, as you say, is not a snoozefest.
  
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #17 - Jun 14th, 2016 at 4:30pm
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ZooperDooper wrote on Jun 14th, 2016 at 12:18pm:
Problems with Mobs? Then stop being an asshole thinking you have to run everything Solo...

Granted, the game exists to keep you occupied, but try to build a few social skills and join some groups for Pete sake.. if you're really all that awesome.. people will WANT you in their groups and seek you out


Reading comprehension fail? Who said anything about having mob problems because of running solo?
  
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Re: Simple Vangaurd Wolf
Reply #18 - Jun 15th, 2016 at 9:58am
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Does stunning shield work in animal form? Could be useful if it did.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 15th, 2016 at 12:47pm
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Since you are running StD for your mini-DoD, and have MP from kensai, you can use US instead of LD, and even go T5 StD if you want.

You could fiddle with your guy until you survive two hits based on past lives and gear, if that is what you really wanted.

Renewal stacked on top of consecrate would also greatly increase your HPS.

I don't think any VG attacks work, but honestly I haven't tried them all. Breaking auto attacks sequence seems a loss of dps.
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