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Best Bow build?
Jun 21st, 2016 at 12:43am
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Ranger 20?
Ranger or Paladin with monk splash?

  
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Reply #1 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:32am
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14 monk / 6 ranger or 12 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fighter
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14 points in helf for arcane archer (elf) tree
41 points in arcane archer for crit multiplier and capstone w/ slayer arrow
6 points in monk for ANT
8 point in harper for kta
11 points deepwood for sniper shot

Use bow when manyshot is up
Use shuriken when 10k is up
Pick between the two for when neither is up (though shuriken is better dps)

Fury of the wild (leveraging insane burst damage to keep your overall sustained damage high)
slayer +adrenaline alone accounts for ~2-3k sustained dps and only uses 1 seconds worth of actions every 20 seconds
sniper +adrenaline alone accounts for 2.5-3.5k sustained dps and only uses 1 seconds worth of actions every 6 seconds

If combo'd correctly my numbers are indicating a sustained 8-9k dps with a burst combo possible of ~148k in 2 seconds (smaller bursts of 20-30k dps will be more likely).

Limiting factors: adrenaline (when using bow or shuriken without IPS), boosts (draconic reinv can make these a little less of a factor but you will run out in longer areas like part 1 of shroud), lag and/or lack of skill (messing up your combos destroys your dps - you are doing roughly 1 combo every 5 seconds, lots of room for error)
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 6:50am
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Some other splits:

18 monk / 2 ranger, dex based
12 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fvs, divine might

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Reply #3 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 6:53am
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Pure ranger....
A. capstone deepwood -> take repeater prof. as well, since its so much better than bows while manyshot is off timer...
B. or roll with the white sniper feather build on mobos. It only tickles mobs though.....
  

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2nd gen BowFlex...just ask Cuck Norris
  

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Reply #5 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 9:22am
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I think a case could be made for 8 Fighter 6 Monk 6 Ranger now.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 9:50am
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I think OP was asking for best build to stay with a bow 100% of the time
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 10:04am
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DoRayEgon wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 9:22am:
I think a case could be made for 8 Fighter 6 Monk 6 Ranger now.


Power surge would be nice if you're going to go kensei.
  

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So pure Ranger with bow full time would be weak compared to other options. Interesting sugestions. Why the 8 Fighter 6 Monk 6 Ranger split?
  
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DnD wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 10:54am:
So pure Ranger with bow full time would be weak compared to other options. Interesting sugestions. Why the 8 Fighter 6 Monk 6 Ranger split?


Because 6 Kensei gives +1 crit range/multi and really strong t5s as seen here:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1459182420/17#17
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 10:56am:
Because 6 Kensei gives +1 crit range/multi and really strong t5s as seen here:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1459182420/17#17


Yes, you may be right about that.  Gain Power surge but lose sniper shot.  Although you would have only about 6d6 sneak dice on 8/6/6 for sniper shot.
  
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11 ranger 6 fighter 3 fvs elf
  
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11 ranger 6 fighter 3 fvs elf

Why FvS? Spell points mainly?
  

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Technomage wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:24pm:
Why FvS? Spell points mainly?


Because he derped.

Because he doesn't play.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Because he derped.

Because he doesn't play.

That explains it. Thanks.
  

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Technomage wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:24pm:
Why FvS? Spell points mainly?


2 Silver flame religious feats: more hit, more damage with longbows.  Favored weapons from Warpriest: more hit, more damage with long bows.  Inflame buff: more hit, more damage with longbows.  Divine favor spell: more hit and more damage.  Bless spell: more hit (trivial, but still though.)  3 levels of FVS nets exactly one point of damage less than 20 levels of pure ranger shooting at a favored enemy.

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It goes to eleven. It's one more.


Told you so.
  

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So this are the suggestions:

14 monk / 6 ranger
12 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fighter
18 monk / 2 ranger, dex based
12 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fvs, divine might

20 ranger
11 ranger 6 fighter 3 fvs elf

8 fighter 6 monk 6 ranger
12 fighter/6 monk/2 ranger


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Reply #18 - Jun 24th, 2016 at 12:13pm
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Monkchers suck ass: you have to invest in WIS, and that fucks your other stats; you'll either have low CON (hit points are important) or low DEX (damage and reflex save).  The only time monkchers were any good was when activating 10k stars would NOT put manyshot on cool-down, and vice versa.  Today, there's no excuse for rolling a monkcher.

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 10:56am:
Because 6 Kensei gives +1 crit range/multi and really strong t5s as seen here:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1459182420/17#17

A pure ranger gets +1 crit range/multi too (DWS core 4 and AA core 5), nice T5s and good capstones, too.

Take capstone in DWS for nice synergy with Always in SA range, 4 Dex, 3 SA die, 20 ranged and spell power.  Take T4 elemental imbues at minimum.  Not sure if DWS or AA T5s are better for a bow.  Probably AA for Slaying Arrow with fury shots.



  
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Digimonk wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
A pure ranger gets +1 crit range/multi too (DWS core 4 and AA core 5), nice T5s and good capstones, too.

Take capstone in DWS for nice synergy with Always in SA range, 4 Dex, 3 SA die, 20 ranged and spell power.  Take T4 elemental imbues at minimum.  Not sure if DWS or AA T5s are better for a bow.

This.

I'd go with DWS Tier 5 enhancements.
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Technomage wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:22pm:
I'd go with DWS Tier 5 enhancements.


Because you're an idiot who doesn't understand Adren+Slayer.
  
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Oh telly us about the "4 every time" manyshot Pay4Pals!  Grin
  
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Digimonk wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
A pure ranger gets +1 crit range/multi too (DWS core 4 and AA core 5), nice T5s and good capstones, too.

Take capstone in DWS for nice synergy with Always in SA range, 4 Dex, 3 SA die, 20 ranged and spell power.  Take T4 elemental imbues at minimum.  Not sure if DWS or AA T5s are better for a bow.  Probably AA for Slaying Arrow with fury shots.


Bows are pointless without 10k stars. Pure ranger isn't even up for consideration.
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 24th, 2016 at 6:05pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 5:33pm:
Bows are pointless without 10k stars. Pure ranger isn't even up for consideration.


Begrudgingly (because FFS) agree
  
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