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Reply #75 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 9:30am
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So I saw in that thread where the guy is crafter level 112 in the NEW crafting.  That is around 9,900-10,000 xp in crafting.  Total combined from all 3 schools in the old system.  So he was maybe in the 40's or 50's in each of the 3 schools (or higher in one and lower in others).  He could not craft anything bound with an ML higher than 7 or unbound with an ML higher than 3. 

He is full of shit.  He wasn't some heavy crafter.  He dabbled in it a little bit. 

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I'm sitting at 112. What I am looking at is a pile of now-useless essences and a bunch of shards I was able to make that I can no longer make. It's actually stuffed everything.

Which is why I am so frustrated.



EDIT:  BTW, To be fair, he IS in the worst possible position.  The new crafting system requires a crafting level of at least 100 to do anything meaningful.  The old system you could craft stuff at low crafting levels much more efficiently.

On the plus side, the new crafting system hands out XP like candy at halloween for the first 150-200 levels, so getting your crafting level to a functional point isn't a huge grind, especially since you don't need anything but essences.
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Reply #76 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 11:08am
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QuantumFX wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 1:20am:


Well, if you’re that easy to manipulate! Cheesy

I still play DDO, so, yeah, total pushover   Embarrassed

Firewall blocked the link, I'll have to check it out at home, but I'll probably be cursing you more tomorrow  Grin
  

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Reply #77 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 11:25am
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Asheras wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 9:30am:
So I saw in that thread where the guy is crafter level 112 in the NEW crafting.  That is around 9,900-10,000 xp in crafting.  Total combined from all 3 schools in the old system.  So he was maybe in the 40's or 50's in each of the 3 schools (or higher in one and lower in others).  He could not craft anything bound with an ML higher than 7 or unbound with an ML higher than 3. 

He is full of shit.  He wasn't some heavy crafter.  He dabbled in it a little bit. 

If he's a casual player who started crafting at a low level, that could represent a full year of breaking down everything he gets and making himself lots of useful gear along the way. I'm not sure about 50, but I know the old system had quite a few good but not great stuff under 100, and an Arcane higher than Divine or Elemental gave good results.

Never attribute to "full of shit" what can be explained by "different playstyle"
  

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Reply #78 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 11:53am
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Meursault wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 11:25am:
If he's a casual player who started crafting at a low level, that could represent a full year of breaking down everything he gets and making himself lots of useful gear along the way. I'm not sure about 50, but I know the old system had quite a few good but not great stuff under 100, and an Arcane higher than Divine or Elemental gave good results.

Never attribute to "full of shit" what can be explained by "different playstyle"


OK.  But he says he created two dedicated crafters and was crafting for his guild.  At his XP level, he couldn't make anything unbound over ML 3.  How much guild crafting was he doing?  Having 3,500 xp in each school when you get 100 xp per shard you make and 5 xp per deconstruct is not much.  That's crafting maybe 20-25 shards and deconstructing maybe 100 items. 

And if he invested 100 pounds, which is like 150 US Dollars, then we are talking about some spend on boosters or something.  I'm not even sure how you spend that much on crafting.  There isn't much to buy.  He has clearly made less than 100 shards in his lifetime.  Even if you used a 35% success booster on each, you have still only spent 1000 TP.  Add in a few XP boosters (which are dirt cheap at like 25 TP for 30 minutes) and you can't possibly have spent more than 1500 TP total.  That's like $25. 

I suspect he is counting his ViP subscription in that amount.  Which isn't going to get refunded.  He paid for access to the game for a period of time.  He logged in and used the game during that time period.  Now he wants a refund?  Good luck. 

OK.  Maybe he's not "full of shit", but he is definitely using hyperbole and overstating his time and resource investment in the crafting system.  You can get to 3500 xp in each school in less than 10 hours.  Easily.  So he is asking for a huge refund of something he probably has invested less than 10 hours in over the course of a year or more.  Something just isn't adding up.

I feel for the low level crafter.  And the crafter of level 1-10 twink gear.  This new system really doesn't work for them.  The new system is targeted at gear for levels 20-30 vs. the old system's sweet spot from 1-10.
  
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Reply #79 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 12:59pm
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Asheras wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 11:53am:
OK.  But he says he created two dedicated crafters and was crafting for his guild.  At his XP level, he couldn't make anything unbound over ML 3.  How much guild crafting was he doing?  Having 3,500 xp in each school when you get 100 xp per shard you make and 5 xp per deconstruct is not much.  That's crafting maybe 20-25 shards and deconstructing maybe 100 items. 

And if he invested 100 pounds, which is like 150 US Dollars, then we are talking about some spend on boosters or something.  I'm not even sure how you spend that much on crafting.  There isn't much to buy.  He has clearly made less than 100 shards in his lifetime.  Even if you used a 35% success booster on each, you have still only spent 1000 TP.  Add in a few XP boosters (which are dirt cheap at like 25 TP for 30 minutes) and you can't possibly have spent more than 1500 TP total.  That's like $25. 

I suspect he is counting his ViP subscription in that amount.  Which isn't going to get refunded.  He paid for access to the game for a period of time.  He logged in and used the game during that time period.  Now he wants a refund?  Good luck. 

OK.  Maybe he's not "full of shit", but he is definitely using hyperbole and overstating his time and resource investment in the crafting system.  You can get to 3500 xp in each school in less than 10 hours.  Easily.  So he is asking for a huge refund of something he probably has invested less than 10 hours in over the course of a year or more.  Something just isn't adding up.

I feel for the low level crafter.  And the crafter of level 1-10 twink gear.  This new system really doesn't work for them.  The new system is targeted at gear for levels 20-30 vs. the old system's sweet spot from 1-10. 

OK, Your quote wasn't a link and I didn't pick up the wider context, crafting for his guild at that level would be a stretch, and spending $100 to get only that far would be idiotic. Crafting level 50 could build some nice personal gear (+4 Holy of Undead Bane would be ML 15 or 17, wouldn't it?) but wouldn't do much for a guild. I still disagree with you on your time estimate, I'm sure I took way longer than that to get that far, but Canith Crafting came out when I had just given up on my first gimp character and started over. So I was crafting from level 4 not 20. Overall I agree he's exagerating.

And I agree with you on the target level, I just can't figure out what they gain by making it suck for 1-10. They could have easily filled that in with a generous sprinkling of fixed level shards with low crafting level. They must just hate new custumers  Cheesy
  

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Reply #80 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:53pm
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Meursault wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 12:59pm:
And I agree with you on the target level, I just can't figure out what they gain by making it suck for 1-10. They could have easily filled that in with a generous sprinkling of fixed level shards with low crafting level. They must just hate new custumers

NoWorries got the most badgering about static effect shards. Players seemed extra-interested in them, so NoWorries probably thought they were OP. They were probably also harder to implement in the new system. Their position on the xp curve represents NoWorries' effort, and has nothing to do with gameplay value.

There is just no other explanation for an Unbalancing Shard as a representative of the pinnacle of one's crafting skill.
  

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Reply #81 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 4:14am
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Revaulting wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:53pm:
There is just no other explanation for an Unbalancing Shard as a representative of the pinnacle of one's crafting skill.


Well the Devs probably think that Unbalancing something {DDO} is good.
  

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Reply #82 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:31am
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FranOhmsford wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 4:14am:
Well the Devs probably think that Unbalancing something {DDO} is good.


Can we have more of the nonsmoking Fran please!


  

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Reply #83 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:35am
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FranOhmsford wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 4:14am:
Well the Devs probably think that Unbalancing something {DDO} is good.


This has to be an impostor!
There is a distinct absence of exclamation marks and capitalization, and that comment was actually witty.  Wtf is this place coming to?   Shocked
  
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Reply #84 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 9:26am
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What the Fran!

  

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Meursault wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 9:36pm:
did somebody post how to get the 5 PEDs in half an hour of grind?


I could average 1.5 PEDs per 5 minutes in Time is Money if I didn't already have thousands of epic tokens to burn.

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Reply #86 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 3:58pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 2:14pm:
I could average 1.5 PEDs per 5 minutes in Time is Money if I didn't already have thousands of epic tokens to burn.

Or if you have friends/boxes, Devil Assault is 12 PEDs per ~20 minutes.

Thanks, the DA looks like my best bet, I enjoy it (mostly hate the challenges) and can easily get family members to pike and pass tokens in exchange for the free loot and XP.
  

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Reply #87 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:00pm
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FranOhmsford wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 4:14am:
Well the Devs probably think that Unbalancing something {DDO} is good.

I like this non-smoker.
  

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Reply #88 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 9:56pm
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somenewnoob wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 9:26am:
What the Fran!


Holy shit!  Francis has finally settled down!

Meursault wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 9:36pm:
did somebody post how to get the 5 PEDs in half an hour of grind?


If you’re doing the ETR grind, and mainly crafting for yourself, I wouldn’t worry about it.  The “dailies” will keep you in enough PEDs to pimp out your account.
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Reply #89 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 10:10pm
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QuantumFX wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 9:56pm:
If you’re doing the ETR grind, and mainly crafting for yourself, I wouldn’t worry about it.  The “dailies” will keep you in enough PEDs to pimp out your account.

No, I hold at 20 a bit and HTR. maybe as far as 22. But mostly I prefer to putter around in the old heroics, I like them better than the new stuff. If it feels like grind then no thanks. The ETR train felt like grind to me.
  

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Reply #90 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:55pm
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Meursault wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 10:10pm:
No, I hold at 20 a bit and HTR. maybe as far as 22. But mostly I prefer to putter around in the old heroics, I like them better than the new stuff. If it feels like grind then no thanks. The ETR train felt like grind to me.


The heroic TR process is a dream for PED's.  I picked up 2 small, 2 med, and 1 large ebby dragonshard my last TR from 1-20.  Plus all the collectibles you get running Eberron content?  That's the best way to get crafting stuff together.

Take a +3 skill tome from a saga reward and you get like 16 or 25 PED's for those.
  
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Asheras wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:55pm:
Take a +3 skill tome from a saga reward and you get like 16 or 25 PED's for those.


IIRC, the Three Barrel Cove saga also gives skill tomes.
  

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Asheras wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:55pm:
The heroic TR process is a dream for PED's.  I picked up 2 small, 2 med, and 1 large ebby dragonshard my last TR from 1-20.  Plus all the collectibles you get running Eberron content?  That's the best way to get crafting stuff together.

Take a +3 skill tome from a saga reward and you get like 16 or 25 PED's for those.

Yeah, I'm pretty casual, but I've got over 30 small and a dozen med on my main, but at 5 per shard I was already looking for a new source. Adding skill tomes was a big help, they mostly suck otherwise (oh, look, a tome of skill upgrade Swim +2 to +3, how exciting). I don't reliably do sagas, though. I might do 2 Gianthold in a life, but I can't think of what others I enjoy. Seems like there was another, but my mind is elsewhere today.
  

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Reply #93 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 12:39pm
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Asheras wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:55pm:
The heroic TR process is a dream for PED's.  I picked up 2 small, 2 med, and 1 large ebby dragonshard my last TR from 1-20.  Plus all the collectibles you get running Eberron content?  That's the best way to get crafting stuff together.

Take a +3 skill tome from a saga reward and you get like 16 or 25 PED's for those.


I haven't seen an eberron shard since the CC update. I even went to farm them at one of my farming locations. Over 200 clicks no shards. If they do drop still they have changed the formula for them. I either got exceptionally unlucky or they did. I usually would have had enough for an xp pot or two with that many clicks, but nothing.
  

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