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Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:04pm
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What's the most current wolf build?
  
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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #1 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 1:00am
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10dr/6ftr/5rgr

tier 5 kensei for single target or tier 5 tempest for dance of trash.
  

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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 1:56am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 1:00am:
10dr/6ftr/5rgr

21 levels of unstoppable beast Tongue
  

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Reply #3 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 3:48am
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 1:56am:
21 levels of unstoppable beast Tongue

op. 9/6/5 doe
  

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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 4:30am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 3:48am:
op. 9/6/5 doe


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Reply #5 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 12:08pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 1:00am:
10dr/6ftr/5rgr

PM please.   Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 3:28pm
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ZOMG!!! WOOF LETZ YEW TAKE 21 LEVELZ!! OVERPOWERED MUCH?!?!?!?!  Cheesy

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Reply #7 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 4:50pm
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ZooperDooper wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 3:28pm:
ZOMG!!! WOOF LETZ YEW TAKE 21 LEVELZ!! OVERPOWERED MUCH?!?!?!?!

You broke the streak of posts with emoticons in them.  So sad.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 8:40am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 3:48am:
op. 9/6/5 doe


Is 9 druid better than 8 fighter if going T5 kensai?
Without 8 fighter you can't pick the t4 weapon enhancement (+2 hit/dmg) and the t5 one (+3 hit/dmg) also 8 ftr nets you a feat for 2 melee power.

EDIT: Atleast 8 druid for winter wolf which is too much of an upgrade from regular wolf to give up i suppose. But if you're going t5 kensai would ft8 dr8 r4 work? Seems like you wouldn't miss anything major from ranger 5 besides a favored enemy.
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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #9 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 11:58am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 1:00am:
dance of trash



This is just too good to give up IMO. I crushed the trash with it last life. My goal in every quest was to out kill the warlocks. It didn't happen every quests, but enough quests to make it worth taking.

I still raped the bosses as well.
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 4:13pm
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Bushin wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 8:40am:
Is 9 druid better than 8 fighter if going T5 kensai?

natural fighting feats start at druid lv 9. that is too much doublestrike to leave behind. for most quests tempest tier 5 is faster clear speed. kensei tier 5 is better vs portals and reds.
  

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Reply #11 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 7:23pm
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9d/6f/5r is good for the kensei single target version.

I would rather have Dance of Death from Tempest though, so 10d/6r/4f.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 7:23pm:
9d/6f/5r is good for the kensei single target version.

I would rather have Dance of Death from Tempest though, so 10d/6r/4f.

you can still take tier 5 tempest with 5 rgr levels. the flexibility to swap to either tier 5 makes up for not having 10th druid level or 6th ranger and manyshot.
  

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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #13 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 9:29am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 4:13pm:
natural fighting feats start at druid lv 9. that is too much doublestrike to leave behind. for most quests tempest tier 5 is faster clear speed. kensei tier 5 is better vs portals and reds.


Yeah you're right. Completely forgot about natural fighting. Then that only leaves the ranger levels to play with and dropping ranger to 3 seems ill advised. I agree that t5 tempest is more sexy due to dance of death.
  
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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #14 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:14am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 8:04pm:
you can still take tier 5 tempest with 5 rgr levels. the flexibility to swap to either tier 5 makes up for not having 10th druid level or 6th ranger and manyshot.


If you commit to Tempest, then you free up an extra feat for +2 melee power, get another useful 5th level spell, another useful 1st level ranger spell, and Exposing Strike.
  

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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #15 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:24am
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how much more single target dps comes out of the kensai version at the cost of a literal dps multiplier in Dance of Death? it would need to add like fucking 400% (number is not accurate) more dps to break even with Dance build in a circumstance where it matters. i dont mind a boss taking a little bit longer maybe 35 seconds instead of 30, so that u can clear a red alert LE parade 4x faster. i mean we are essentially talking about 4x dps and 4x damage mitigation because we are 'addressing' 4x threats a little bit slower than a kensai build would 'handle' 1. hitting 4 targets for 10 damage each is greater dps than hitting 1 for for 20 in the same time frame, and that comparison is implying kensai build is 200% the damage of dance build. im sure the actual difference is much smaller.

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Reply #16 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 5:51pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:14am:
If you commit to Tempest, then you free up an extra feat for +2 melee power

6th ranger granting itwf is the same as 6th fighter giving another feat. The difference would be spells, manyshot.

5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:14am:
Exposing Strike.

meh. harrier/killer/stalwart/and a tier 5 takes all the ap anyway. and not like kensei doesnt offer 1x crit multi, deadly strike, good death, and 40 melee power.

eighnuss wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:24am:
is this not accurate?

DoD is far superior to clearing trash, but the single target time is much faster than a 5 second increase. this varies per toon basis, next time lama comes up test for yourselves and compare the times. the kensei version should be much faster on single target. Easily more than 5 seconds. Probably around 20. It has close to the same single target dps as a monk wolf or tilo's rogue wolf.

  

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Re: Wolf Build
Reply #17 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:26pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 5:51pm:
DoD is far superior to clearing trash, but the single target time is much faster than a 5 second increase. this varies per toon basis, next time lama comes up test for yourselves and compare the times. the kensei version should be much faster on single target. Easily more than 5 seconds. Probably around 20. It has close to the same single target dps as a monk wolf or tilo's rogue wolf.



but what of the indirect damage mitigation, do you claim the single target dps is so superior that the incoming damage bias is negligible

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and the dps loss of throwing more heals more often if not
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eighnuss wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:26pm:
but what of the indirect damage mitigation, do you claim the single target dps is so superior that the incoming damage bias is negligible

no, i prefer DoD. But I would, in some groups, like the option to switch to kensei tier 5. like, if my friends are on their warlocks. I get to make boss fights faster for them while they handle trash aoe.
  

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There is also a druid/monk/ftr that uses the 11.75d10 or whatever weapon dice damage for unarmed, but I am no expert.
  
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fr8o wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 5:11am:
There is also a druid/monk/ftr that uses the 11.75d10 or whatever weapon dice damage for unarmed, but I am no expert.

cant stack swf without ranger levels.
  

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True you trade the ranger and swf/twf for base damage.  Did not try it myself, but talked to a few people running the build.
  
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