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Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:34pm
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Malleus v1.1

Race: Purple Dragon Knight (Not base human)
Alignment: Lawful Good
Class: 20 Paladin (LR+1 required)


Stats:..........(36 pt build)

Strength............18 + level ups
Dexterity............8
Constitution.......16
Intelligence.........8
Wisdom..............8
Charisma...........16


Feat Progression:

Level 1   : Two Handed Fighting
Level 1   : Power Attack
Level 3   : Cleave (Weapon Focus after ER/LR/TR)
Level 6   : Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 6   : Silvanus
Level 9   : Improved Critical: Blunt
Level 12 : Greater Two handed Fighting
Level 15 : Completionist
Level 18 : Quickdraw
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Weapon Focus
Level 26 : Perfect Two Handed Fighting
Level 27 : Weapon Focus
Level 28 : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 29 : Dire Charge
Level 30 : Child of Silvanus
Level 30 : Scion of Arborea
(You can retain access to Momentum Swing without the Cleave feat after an ER/LR/TR so long as you don't reset LD. That means no feat swapping.)


Enhancements:

Knight of the Chalice: 41 AP

Core 6/6

Extra Smite 2/2
Extra Turning 2/3

Divine Might 3/3 (6 pts)
Exalted Cleave 3/3
AB: Melee Power 3/3

Exalted Smite 3/3
Divine Sacrifice 2/3
+1 Str

Censure Demons
Empowered Smite (2 pts)
Vigor of Life (2 pts)

Censure Outsiders
Holy Retribution 1/3
Avenging Cleave 3/3
Vigor of Life (2 pts)



Sacred Defender:21 AP

Core 3/6

Extra Lay on Hands 3/3
Resilient Defense 3/3
Armor Mastery 3/3

Durable Defense 3/3

Strong Defense 3/3
Cha+1

Swift Defense


Racial: 18 AP

Core 2/5 (Damage Boost, Str)

Improved Recovery (2 pts)
Action Surge Str 3/3

Great Weapon Aptitude 3/3
Purple Dragon Focus 3/3

Improved Recovery (2 pts)

Improved Recovery (2 pts)


Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought

Extra Action Boost 3/3
Legendary Tactics 3/3

Improved Power Attack (2 pts)
Momentum Swing 3/3

AB: Haste 3/3

Anvil of Thunder (2 pts)

Advancing Blows (2 pts)
Devastating Critical (2 pts)

Master's Blitz: PRR (2 pts)
Pulverizer (2 pts)


Twists:

Sense Weakness
Endless Lay on Hands
Hail of Blows
Primal Scream (Toggle off defensive stance to buff)
Endless Turning


Gear:

L Executioner's Helm (Ins deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Qual CM+4, Mythic +3)
L Pendant of Warrior Focus (AP 21, I Dstrike 7, Mythic +3, slot)
CC Trinket (Dstrike, Hamp, Ins Cha)
L Slave Master's Cloak (I False Life 33, Protection 14, Spearblock 8, I Resistance 6. Green Slot, Mythic +3)
L Animated Rope (Diversion 28, SA +14, Dodge 17, CM 14 (Ins), Mythic +3)
L Ring of Prowess (Deadly 14, Accuracy 28, MP 8, Mythic +3)
Backstabber Gloves (Imp Deception, slot)
Slave craft Boots (Str/Resistance/Tendon Slice/Q Str/+3 Mythic)
Slave craft Ring (Cha/AP/Vertigo/Q Cha/+3 Mythic)
E Ethereal Bracers (Dex 11, Riposte 9, Ghostly, Speed 14, 2 slots)
Visions of Precision (Wis 12, Ins Wis 4, Stunning 15, Mythic +3)
Legendary Executioner's Platemail (Well Rounded 2, Q deadly 4, I Intimidate 11, Q Accuracy 6, Green slot, Mythic +4)
T3 TF Maul 17-20x6 (15-20 x4 if they fix the Silvanus feat)

5-piece slaver set = +2 Artifact bonus to Strength and Dexterity, +4 Artifact bonus to Melee Power/Ranged Power, +4 Artifact bonus to Deadly
Trinket + Serenity + Spellshield Aura = 91 SR

A drawback will be having to slot sheltering and Fortification, but heavy + BF lives + ship buff + Sacred Defender should be good enough (100+15+15+4=134%)

Edited:
Dropped SR, changed corresponding AP and gear


Str:
18 base
7 levels
17 enhancement
4 quality
2 profane
1 exceptional
2 completionist
7 tome
2 ship
5 primal scream
1 kotc
1 human
6 strong defense
2 artifact
26 insight (divine might)
3 action surge
=104 str

Cha:
16 base
17 enhancement
4 quality
4 capstone
2 profane
1 exceptional (augment)
2 completionist
7 insight
7 tome
2 ship
1 AP
=63

MP:
70 blitz
30 epic levels
20 arborea
18 LD levels
8 enhancement
6 thf x3
6 wf x3
10 capstone
5 empowered smite
5 censure outsiders
4 artifact
12 mythic
=196


DS
9 pastlife
17 enhancement
10 sacred
5 ptwf
7 insight
3 twist
=51%

6.25d10+17 enhancement+70 1.5str+10 pa+22 deadly+2 child+3 monk pl+3 divine favor+5 Advancing Blows= 166.375x2.05 (crit profile) = 341.06875+32.2 (23 seeker) x 2.96 (MP) = 1104.8755 x 1.51 (DS) = 1668.362005

plus procs:

94.56 SA + 35 ToF + 15.2 WoF + 36 MF + 7.84 Ruby + 72.52 light = 261.12 x 1.51 (DS) = 394.2912

plus Glancing Blows: 72.52 light and 60% of (base x MP = 492.47) on 75% of animations = 276.0015
and 25% chance of 188.6 on 75% of animations = 35.3625

= 2374.017205 average autoattack damage per animation w/ t3 tf maul
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Re: U33 Maul Pally
Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:31pm
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Theory craft or actually building it?
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 24th, 2016 at 4:24pm
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Bigjunk wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:31pm:
actually building it?


It was pretty kick ass on Lama.

I will have it on live sooner or later.
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:24pm
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I was contemplating something similar with a Morning Lord and racial damage boost line.

What exactly is this getting with Maul + LD that makes it a better option than Maul + Divine Crusader?

Or Greataxe + Headsman's Chop?

DC has the always on Threat bonus and Consecration line, plus some other goodies like the Celestial Immunities.

Blitz is hard to pass on though...
  

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Re: U33 Maul Pally
Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:11am
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Metal-Beast wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:24pm:
I was contemplating something similar with a Morning Lord and racial damage boost line.

What exactly is this getting with Maul + LD that makes it a better option than Maul + Divine Crusader?

Or Greataxe + Headsman's Chop?

DC has the always on Threat bonus and Consecration line, plus some other goodies like the Celestial Immunities.

Blitz is hard to pass on though...


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Silvanus, the Forest Father
Silvanus is the god of nature and balance.
Available to: All Forgotten Realms characters who are not Morninglords.
Favored Weapon: Maul
Level 6 Unique Active Feat: Blessing of Silvanus: You are a devoted follower of Silvanus, and your faith has been rewarded. Toggling this on gives you Blessing of Silvanus: You gain +4 Natural Armor bonus to AC, and Mauls you wield gain +2 to their Critical Threat Range. This stacks with other sources.
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Reply #5 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:51am
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Thanks for posting 5FS I was inspired so now I am working on Mauler of Silvanus, 6 pally/8  figther (ken)/ 6  monk (Hen).
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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:47am
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Metal-Beast wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:24pm:
I was contemplating something similar with a Morning Lord and racial damage boost line.


Sun Elf isn't allowed to worship Silvanus, so that is a no go.

Metal-Beast wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:24pm:
What exactly is this getting with Maul + LD that makes it a better option than Maul + Divine Crusader?


It's 17-20x6 either way, DC or LD. SO it's LD for Blitz and Combat Brute. Don't get me wrong, DC is a great destiny, I am a big fan, I switch to it on a regular basis depending on what I am running. But LD is more DPS in general, so that is the default, so that is what I list.

  

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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:35pm
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For Maul
20/x3, base
19-20/x3, Destiny +1
18-20/x3, Improved Critical
17-20/x4, Holy Sword
15-20/x4, Silvanus

+2 19-20 (OC + LD)

20 attacks
1, miss
2-4, graze
5-14, 1 hit
15-18, 4 "hits"
19-20, 6 "hits

(5*0) + (10*1) + (4*4) + (2*6) = 38
38/20 = 1.9

1.9*AvgNonCritFrontNumber = AvgFrontNumber

1.9 is the critical and to-hit multiplier


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Reply #8 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:39pm
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For Falchion
18-20/x2, base
15-20/x3, Improved Critical
14-20/x4, Holysword

+2 19-20 (OC + LD)

20 attacks
1, miss
2-4, graze
5-13, 1 hit
14-18, 3 "hits"
19-20, 5 "hits

(5*0) + (9*1) + (5*3) + (2*5) = 34
38/20 = 1.7

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Reply #9 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:40pm
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Conclusion
1.9/1.7 = 1.12

Silvanus Pally is 12% more damage with respect to base damage. [This ignores seeker which favors the Falchion by 1 threat range.]

If your base damage is contributing 5,000 dps then converting to Silvanus will increase dps by 600 base damage.
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Reply #10 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:44pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:35pm:
For Maul
20/x3, base
19-20/x3, Destiny +1
18-20/x3, Improved Critical
17-20/x4, Holy Sword
15-20/x4, Silvanus

+2 19-20 (OC + LD)

20 attacks
1, miss
2-4, graze
5-14, 1 hit
15-18, 4 "hits"
19-20, 6 "hits

(5*0) + (10*1) + (4*4) + (2*6) = 38
38/20 = 1.9

1.9*AvgNonCritFrontNumber = AvgFrontNumber

1.9 is the critical and to-hit multiplier

For Falchion
18-20/x2, base
15-20/x3, Improved Critical
14-20/x4, Holysword

+2 19-20 (OC + LD)

20 attacks
1, miss
2-4, graze
5-13, 1 hit
14-18, 3 "hits"
19-20, 5 "hits

(5*0) + (9*1) + (5*3) + (2*5) = 34
38/20 = 1.7

Conclusion
1.9/1.7 = 1.12

Silvanus Pally is 12% more damage with respect to base damage. [This ignores seeker which favors the Falchion by 1 threat range.]

If your base damage is contributing 5,000 dps then converting to Silvanus will increase dps by 600 base damage.


Funny, I ignore OC/DC in my calcs but assume hitting on a 2, so we come to the same multiplier.

A couple things are off though. When I tested Silvanus it was giving +2 multi instead of +2 range (I still need to retest on live) 17-20x6 instead of 15-20x4 is a 2.0 instead of 1.9 multiplier.

Also, Falch does not get a x4 crit. (I see you did the math correctly with a x3 though.)

Seeker does not favor threat range, it multiplies with the crit so it favors the maul's overall crit profile.

Also, the maul has better base damage in it's favor.

So the base damage difference is actually going to be 18+%. (until they fix the crit range/multi)
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RemRemi wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:04pm:
And don't forget all the 'amazing...' mauls in the game  Grin Grin Grin


Drow maul gets another +2 threat...

lol

Talking 13-20/x4, or 15-20/x6....
  

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Drow maul gets another +2 threat...

lol

Talking 13-20/x4, or 15-20/x6....



But the base damage is poop. No relevant add on props, fine for 20-25 but 25-30?  Cry Cry Cry
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:01pm
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Nice points 5-foot. Was wonderin about the 17-20/x6 deal lol.


5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:44pm:
Seeker does not favor threat range, it multiplies with the crit so it favors the maul's overall crit profile.


I worded that poorly. And am nitpicking for my own benefit. You can ignore. For those who love picking nits I'll give an example.

Quote:
Example:

18-20/x2 rapier
vs
20/x4 heavy pick

the seeker is multiplied by 6 for the rapier and 4 for the heavy pick, even though they both have the same "crit adjustement." Then divide by 20 to get your seeker contribution per hit.

The multiplier for adjusting base damage based on crit would be 19 + 3 - grazes divided by 20.
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RemRemi wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
But the base damage is poop. No relevant add on props, fine for 20-25 but 25-30?  Cry Cry Cry


Eth was sayin ESOS beats out Legendary Greensteel for Pallies so I don't know where the parity point is.

Too bad Grail posts on the mobos and not here.

I'm way too fucking lazy to do the calc. Somebody would have to stomp on my builder-epeen first.
  

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RemRemi wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:04pm:
And don't forget all the 'amazing...' mauls in the game    


RemRemi wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
But the base damage is poop. No relevant add on props, fine for 20-25 but 25-30?    


Umm, Thunderforged? Just like every other DPS character?

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:03pm:
Eth was sayin ESOS beats out Legendary Greensteel for Pallies so I don't know where the parity point is.


I don't know about that. I did some maths a while back and found an eSoS pally would need 300 or so equivalent Str to out DPS a t3 TF Falch on that same build. I know there's more deadly, seeker, etc in the game now, but I don't see it coming out ahead.
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:47pm
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Checked the threat today. It is functioning as advertised. It toggles off frequently. Fucking annoying.

(Combat): You attack Netherese Mage. You roll a 16 (+33): you critical hit!
(Combat): You hit Netherese Mage for 139 points of bludgeon damage.

(Combat): You attack Netherese Arcanist. You roll a 5 (+36): you hit!
Combat): You hit Netherese Arcanist for 57 points of bludgeon damage.

(Combat): You attack Netherese Arcanist. You roll a 19 (+41): you critical hit!
(Combat): You hit Netherese Arcanist for 228 points of bludgeon damage.

(Combat): You attack Shadar-Kai Blackguard. You roll a 17 (+29): you critical hit!
(Combat): You sneak attack Shadar-Kai Blackguard for 217 points of bludgeon damage.
  

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FvS warpriest enhancement bonuses are functioning with the maul.
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:50pm
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Str:
18 base
7 levels
17 enhancement
4 quality
2 profane
1 exceptional
2 completionist
7 tome
2 ship
5 primal scream
1 kotc
1 human
6 strong defense
2 artifact
26 insight (divine might)
3 action surge
=104 str

Cha:
16 base
17 enhancement
4 quality
4 capstone
2 profane
1 exceptional (augment)
2 completionist
7 insight
7 tome
2 ship
1 AP
=63

MP:
70 blitz
30 epic levels
20 arborea
18 LD levels
8 enhancement
6 thf x3
6 wf x3
10 capstone
5 empowered smite
5 censure outsiders
4 artifact
12 mythic
=196


DS
9 pastlife
17 enhancement
10 sacred
5 ptwf
7 insight
3 twist
=51%

6.25d10+17 enhancement+70 1.5str+10 pa+22 deadly+2 child+3 monk pl+3 divine favor+5 Advancing Blows= 166.375x2.05 (crit profile) = 341.06875+32.2 (23 seeker) x 2.96 (MP) = 1104.8755 x 1.51 (DS) = 1668.362005

plus procs:

94.56 SA + 35 ToF + 15.2 WoF + 36 MF + 7.84 Ruby + 72.52 light = 261.12 x 1.51 (DS) = 394.2912

plus Glancing Blows: 72.52 light and 60% of (base x MP = 492.47) on 75% of animations = 276.0015
and 25% chance of 188.6 on 75% of animations = 35.3625

= 2374.017205 average autoattack damage per animation w/ t3 tf maul

Edited:
Corrected crit profile, doublestrike, Str score, glancing blows calc

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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:47pm:
Checked the threat today. It is functioning as advertised. It toggles off frequently. Fucking annoying.



Wha? that's shitty news.
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This could be a fun build, which makes it all the more sad that there is already posts on the Mobos that I'll guess will lead to a nerf... because dickheads can't stop being dickheads.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/480026-New-deities-disapointment?p=588...

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The problem is that only one is build worthy, Silvanus, and the rest are just so much weaker. 2 minutes of 10 MP? Why is Silvanus, arguably one if not the most DPS not based on a timer like the rest?

We have given you that feedback, and the only feedback post release you have is that everything but silvanus is weak sauce. Now obviously you think everything is fine with the rest so what can we do? Kinda frustrating.
  
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Re: U33 Maul Pally
Reply #22 - Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:21pm
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Re: U33 Maul Pally
Reply #23 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:09am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:50pm:
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would Zeal add another 10% to this?
  
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Re: U33 Maul Pally
Reply #24 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:38pm
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Improved bludgeoning critical is only stacking partially.

With blessing of Silvanus running with holy sword on one build, or with blessing running with the kensai 'keen edge and strike without out thought' buffs you still end up with a profile of 16-20X4 which isn't terrible but it sure ain't super amazing.

Many people were expecting something like 14-20X4.  Also please understand this is before ED's are brought to bear.



*please note number confirmed with actually strikes as opposed to the tool tip garbage.
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