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Reaper thrower build - no racial pl
Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:35pm
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The purpose of this thread is to get the most up to dated full builds posted, and for each side to bitch each other out.

Jack and foppy and 5 and anyone else, post your full builds with feats, so, gear and destiny points/ twists. Perhaps yep good things can come of this, the first being some minor improvements can be made by each side to their builds and two being, every other thread isn't derailed by thrower fights.
Keep in mind the aim is reaper, and disregard who first came up with a build or concept, I'll start another thread for that, later... maybe..

Do not include any racial past lives
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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:54pm
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10 AP is a big deal. That just hit Lam yesterday.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
10 AP is a big deal. That just hit Lam yesterday.

To clarify, this is not including any of the racial aps. That's way down the line
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:34pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
10 AP is a big deal. That just hit Lam yesterday.


Yep, those 10 ap will break or make thrower builds in future
  
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30 Racial past lives is an INSANE grind for this.

Unless you've stockpiled reincarnation resets and heroic stones, you're looking at a minimum of 90 days from release if someone does a life every 3 days. Crazy town.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:23pm
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No racial past lives included.

Who will post their latest complete build first?
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
30 Racial past lives is an INSANE grind for this.

Unless you've stockpiled reincarnation resets and heroic stones, you're looking at a minimum of 90 days from release if someone does a life every 3 days. Crazy town.



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Reply #7 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:10pm
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[quote author=6B67616B67686467676A37060 link=1488994511/5#5 date=1489004605]No racial past lives included.

It will be a while since I'll probably abandon end-game until I get 30 heroic lives done for the AP.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 1:43am
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:10pm:
[quote author=6B67616B67686467676A37060 link=1488994511/5#5 date=1489004605]No racial past lives included.

It will be a while since I'll probably abandon end-game until I get 30 heroic lives done for the AP.


What endgame xd?
The new loot pieces are mostly trash on first preview
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:13pm
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Well at the very least we know jakasses build isn't top tier: 8/6/6

Turns out builds with abundant step 14/6 are higher boss dps - like I and many others claimed.

Look at the fucker try to rationalize:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/482587-U33-FuryThower/page5

What a fucking retard.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:47pm
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Jakelala v.s. Hydra =


  
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Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:21pm
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hydra wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
Well at the very least we know jakasses build isn't top tier: 8/6/6

Turns out builds with abundant step 14/6 are higher boss dps - like I and many others claimed.

Look at the fucker try to rationalize:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/482587-U33-FuryThower/page5

What a fucking retard.


I'm not rationalizing anything. I'm agreeing the tests are impressive and 14/6 looks to be faster on the kobold.

unless hydra is Ellihor, he has nothing to do with any of this.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:25pm
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hydra wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
What a fucking retard.


The fucking retard that brought you the 14/6
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Reply #13 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:23pm
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Anyone going to post the ap an fewt breakdown for the 14/6 build?
  
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check out Ryder's U33 Furyshot thread in Custom builds on the motherboards
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:32am
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:23pm:
check out Ryder's U33 Furyshot thread in Custom builds on the motherboards


it may behove you to stop calling people retards.
  

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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:32am:
it may behove you to stop calling people retards.


I believe it's behoove, retard.

Who did I call a retard?
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 1:53am
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 1:39am:
Who did I call a retard?

Whom, retard.
  

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Reply #18 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:40am
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Idc really about that argument as i just want to know the most efficient build,but i know eli from cannith and his credibility is not as high as people assume.
THere is no need for me to explain in detail why, just check his videos and pay attention to how many times he uses adreanaline without sniper shot or sniper shot alone.

Just being able to record and spam your ytchannel doesnt mean your tests are correct.
(as if he intentionally misses sniper adrenaline shots on false timings)

I wont even go deeper into how he uses just slaying shot on the 8 6 6 or how he misses the timing in couple recording even for slaying adreanaline.
Keep in  mind, eli is very new to throwers and arcane archer tree.
Havent seen final strike in any of tests either
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Reply #19 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:58am
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:40am:
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What the fuck are you smoking?
Obviously his tests aren't 100% accurate / best case scenario - combos could be better and gear isn't optimal. This should roughly impact both builds in a similar fashion.
However he clearly takes slayer arrow and uses it in the video on the 8/6/6 split.
Seriously how high are you?

Also as of note: there are several dps beatdowns floating out there where the 14/6 and 12/6/2 builds clear in sub 12 seconds (back when double boosts existed). Similarly the best I've seen for 8/6/6 when double boosts existed was 17 seconds.
  
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hydra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:58am:
What the fuck are you smoking?
Obviously his tests aren't 100% accurate / best case scenario - combos could be better and gear isn't optimal. This should roughly impact both builds in a similar fashion.
However he clearly takes slayer arrow and uses it in the video on the 8/6/6 split.
Seriously how high are you?

Also as of note: there are several dps beatdowns floating out there where the 14/6 and 12/6/2 builds clear in sub 12 seconds (back when double boosts existed). Similarly the best I've seen for 8/6/6 when double boosts existed was 17 seconds.

Final strike.
Dont read it, use it.
Enough said. /bow pulls ahead the more crit base damage you can add to it
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Reply #21 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:07am
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
I'm not rationalizing anything. I'm agreeing the tests are impressive and 14/6 looks to be faster on the kobold.

unless hydra is Ellihor, he has nothing to do with any of this.

You've consistently maintained that 8/6/6 was the better build for dps and that in your calculations it was vastly superior than 14/6. You maintained this was true on boss dps with both bow and shuriken. Your claim was that the dps difference between the builds was significant.

harharharhar wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 12:50pm:
You gain the crit multi with bows and shuriken you fucktard. Which during an adrenaline slayer/manyshot volley if vastly more damage than 25% doubleshot. YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT THIS.

I've done red named tests on all of the suggested builds being debated in this argument. 8/6/6 is significantly faster at red name kobold tests. It is because of the +1 crit multiplier. You would know this if you actually played/tested any of these builds.

You are very stupid and don't know what you're talking about.


Not only that but on the mobo thread you claimed that kta was a waste of fucking time and then you listed it in your enhancements that you would run - literally like five posts later.

I'm sorry your too stupid to realize that you backtracked multiple times and have flat out been wrong on many occasions. For someone who claims that every thrower build came from his ass - you sure don't know jack shit about throwers.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:10am
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:00am:
Final strike.
Dont read it, use it.
Enough said. /bow pulls ahead the more crit base damage you can add to it


Final Strike is certainly very good and I use it on live but again I don't think its going to make up for a 100% dps increase. Especially when it benefits both builds to a close approximation in the same order of magnitude.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:24am
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hydra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:10am:
Final Strike is certainly very good and I use it on live but again I don't think its going to make up for a 100% dps increase. Especially when it benefits both builds to a close approximation in the same order of magnitude.

Look at it this way, crit profile and range of a higher base damage weapon will always pull ahead the more gear you have because multi and crit damage will favor the higher base damage weapon.
You cant say that shuri will be the same because it cannot reach the same max burst numbers.

As said idc who is wrong or right, putting my personal feelings aside i want the most optimal base when im done with racial tring and elis tests didnt provide how those builds function correctly.
(he is very very new to monkchers and throwers in general)
I prefer the 12 monk splits myself because i met situations in 10 skull content where i would not survive if i didnt have abu step but if its a argument about burst then the tests should be done correctly.
Aka get all gear and best efficient encha split.
Doesnt help either that he couldnt open encha window for 1 second in each video


Tldr Dont trust tests that were made by manipulating the numbers so that your claim is correct
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Reply #24 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:39am
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:24am:
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Tldr Dont trust tests that were made by manipulating the numbers so that your claim is correct

Which is why I've previously done my own tests and found similar results as eli (if not quite as stark).

Anyways my point stands: jakass claimed that 8/6/6 was vastly superior dps (claimed he did tests himself as well) which obviously is not the case - or at least not as clear cut and dry as he was making it out to be (if you don't believe eli's results as being good enough representation).
  
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