Static group and I decided to do r10 dreams of insanity at level the other day to spice up our r3-r5 usual grind (we like to mix in a r10 every 3-4 levels or so just for fun).

First attempt: failed on end fight due to trying to kill respawning beholder and hounds. Respawns happened near instantly and on second round, all of them were champs. Cyclonic blast damage in the 1000s. After a few jibbers and retries we ended up just going for a clean instance.

Second attempt:
HOLY hell this was hard. We started out by cheesing the named beholder (got lucky on a bluff roll). Then we had someone intim the respawning mobs (thrashk hounds and beholder) and aggrohold through walls and pillars.

Finally we cleared the rafters by using charms and a few pks. By about this time our person kiting the respawning mobs died. Our ioun stones were out of charges. We were absolutely fucked by the beholder and hounds.

Ended up using all 4 of our jibbers to pull the remaining switches taking advantage of the bugged respawn aggro.

We finished but with a bitter taste in our mouths. I don't like using cheese. How do you think this could be done without cheese?

We had 3 locks (no fts as lvl 10 and we all took evards), 1 barb, and 1 arti. (And 1 worthless bear form druid pug that died 52 times). Possibly swapping out one of the locks for a sorc with high transmutation and enchantment might do the trick. Or having 2 locks with fts.

Definitely can't kill as respawns are basically instant in their on r10. Stunning blast from warlock actually works pretty well but depravity cost at lvl 10 is not sustainable. Its too slow on the recast. AND its only single target. I would say fear but it wasn't landing convincingly/reliably.

Alternatively having spell absorption trinkets (scarabs) would work but that's not a satisfying win either. Any suggestions?

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 11:57pm:


Web lasts 6 seconds in reaper 10... and 2 of those 6 seconds are wrapped up in animation. Now there's a chance it would work if a sorc just literally sat there spamming them the entire fight but I don't know it sounds doubtful to me.

I agree though that having a sorc would be better than triplicate locks in this case. Any other ideas?

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 12:15am:


First: you can't extend web.

Second: even if you could extend web it would double the base duration and then reaper duration reduction would apply. It would end up being 60/8.5 = ~7 seconds.

Third: We typically do r3 to r5 depending on the quest. R10s are a 4-5x a life type of thing just for fun. As r3-r5 is rather methodical, and get a bit grindy after a while.

Fourth: R10 there is no such thing as dps overkill. To put it into perspective, your dps is reduced by a factor ~13. There are a lot more champs - which means avg mob health also goes up.

Fifth: Warlocks can't keep a perma web up on reaper. Cd is 7.5 seconds, even with arcane alacrity -> 6.75 seconds. Duration is fixed at 6 seconds. Sorcerer could do it with a cd of 3.5 seconds.

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 12:15am:

That's all you needed to say.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 10:58am:


Yeah I'm a retard saying use something like grease and sleet storm i.e. things that provide an effect without relying on a DC that is available to the group they are currently running with i..e no Wizards.. which is actually based on almost 12 years of experience playing the game utilizing mechanics that we took advantage of when the game first came out and we were actually challenged..

Uh huh I'm a retard... soooo... why you don't you elaborate on these level 6 wizard spells that are going to be such game changers?   Disintegrate that will never ever land?   Please enlighten us all you fucking moron  since my actual fucking great and applicable advice that was based on 12 years of playing the game that you called "geometry cheese" is considered retarded. 

So oh enlightened ascended master please tell us about these level 6 wizard spells that is better advice than what I said. Im honestly intersted if you have anything of value to add or if your just a complete fucking moron.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 10:58am:


Hmm wf wizard using flesh to stone and mass suggestion might work. And the rest of us just blitz the runes with our ioun stones. Might give that a try next life. How's wiz in r3-r5? I'm fine gimping my group a bit but I always got the feeling that wiz sorta sucked until you got mid level and were doing r5+?

Thanks for the actual help/tips.

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:


Keep telling us you're a special snowflake, someday maybe you can be a real boy.

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

Your service is appreciated. PTSD is rough. Try to stay away from keyboards until you stop freaking out.

Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:


I think the ancient Greeks had all that stuff worked out a couple dozen centuries back.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 3:06am:



Thats where your wrong.... being one of the first pioneers of real Epics as it was many years ago, i.e. the high level Epics, I can actually give advice on R10.   And I don't need to waste my time doing it either.   

I'm actually not one bit impressed with the people who actually do R10.  Go think about that for a while.   I've played this game enough to know the mechanics so well, to know what is possible in terms of skill and what is just mindless grinding and tedium, that I can actually say I'm better than the people who do R10 w/o actually having to attempt it myself.   So go smoke that one.   I've contributed so much to this game... so many of you who are actually using techniques and strategies that I pioneered that I don't even have to bother running R10. 

Daggertooth invented casting Grease AND Sleetstorm? 

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 9:55am:

Salute our vets.

Ah Pook wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

The only way he could impress me is if he refrained from contributing a few comments from socks on a thread he started with a sock.